dnmfranco

look at the two there are differences

rand5204

The carb is packed away while I move but I have attached the other pictures I have. I wasn't trying to trick or embarrass anyone but I did want to make a point. I have owned this carb since I bought a '70 W31 in 1975. It was just another used car and just another used part back then. There is virtually no way it's a fake and I would bet just about anything on that.


I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.


Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.


I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.


Randy

orange442

The nine on yours looks a lot like mine that I posted a pic of on page 3 post #102 of this thread. Here it is again.

dnmfranco

Well if you had since then it has to be real .
I'm far from an expert on this stuff.
But at least yours is real


UOTE=rand5204;711877]The carb is packed away while I move but I have attached the other pictures I have. I wasn't trying to trick or embarrass anyone but I did want to make a point. I have owned this carb since I bought a '70 W31 in 1975. It was just another used car and just another used part back then. There is virtually no way it's a fake and I would bet just about anything on that.


I do agree that the 9, at least, looks a little suspect. However given the evidence we have all seen on sloppy work at the factory, badly stamped vin #'s, body tags and part #'s on other non-rare parts, why should we expect that all "rare" parts are going to be perfectly marked? To me it just complicates the issue even further. Some of the photos we have seen are clearly of faked parts, some, maybe not so much.


Again, I would be willing to let virtually anyone on this board inspect this carb, I'm that sure of it's authenticity. And yet it does show at least a few potentially questionable details. As the prices go up and the incentives to fake parts gets bigger and bigger, the frauds are going to continue to get better at their craft.


I have purchased (and sold) parts from/to many members of this board over the past few years and will continue to do so as I actually get to start working on my project(s) over the coming months. I have yet to be disappointed in a transaction. This is one of my favorite boards on the web and Ihope (perhaps somewhat naively) That we can continue to have that "Trust but verify" (as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it) approach to our hobby.


Randy[/QUOTE]

rand5204

joesw31


As soon as I have access to it I will get the additional photos you mentioned. It may be a couple of weeks.


dnmfranco


I knew I would get that kind of comment from someone. Could it be a fake - sure, of course it could. My only point was that I bought it at a time when these were of no special value at all. it has been in a box in my garage ever since. It just seems very unlikely that anyone would have been faking these in 1975. I think you missed the bigger point. In my opinion you can take virtually any part that was mass produced to less than exacting standards almost 45 years ago and find inconsistencies in the way it was marked at the factory. Kind of makes it difficult to know what is real anymore doesn't it?

dnmfranco

[Hi Randy I'm dean

I totally agree back in 75 no benefit to re stamp anything.

Yes w the carbs difficult to tell what is real and not .

It seems to me an perhaps others that the dists were the easiest to discriminate .

But I agree back then systems and tools were not state of art.

Dean



QUOTE=rand5204;711966]joesw31


As soon as I have access to it I will get the additional photos you mentioned. It may be a couple of weeks.


dnmfranco


I knew I would get that kind of comment from someone. Could it be a fake - sure, of course it could. My only point was that I bought it at a time when these were of no special value at all. it has been in a box in my garage ever since. It just seems very unlikely that anyone would have been faking these in 1975. I think you missed the bigger point. In my opinion you can take virtually any part that was mass produced to less than exacting standards almost 45 years ago and find inconsistencies in the way it was marked at the factory. Kind of makes it difficult to know what is real anymore doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

ROCKET VAPOR

I am not trying to slander in any way this ebay seller, but check out the 3, 6, and 9 stamps used on the body of the 1108389 starters that they have listed.

I almost bought one, but after discovering this I thought I should share with other prospective buyers/ CO family

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Pontiac...0aac93&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Olds...item416ee82fff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Pontiac...item416bae3154

pogo69

The only thing i would buy from Van Nuys is a hooker and a porno movie

dnmfranco

lol that was good

jensenracing77

Original 890 open face with original ink stamp. This has never been mounted on a car.

Can someone confirm how to read the date and what it is? 9L19

Paladin31

Nov 19, 1969 Sir
A= Jan, B=Feb....no 'I', L= Nov, M= Dec

66-3X2 442

Looks like a restamp to me.

Paladin31

Thats just bein mean cuz...

BTW was a pleasure to shake your hand...sorry it was so brief.

jensenracing77

lol 66- I thought you were going to run off with it before i could get him the money.

Very glad to meet you guys. I met many new people and starting to remember names just a little.

66-3X2 442

I'm not being mean,just messin with Eric because I held this alternator in my hand. It's the real deal but if I'm seeing the #'s right,they are not exactly straight and that seems to be one of the criteria. It was a pleasure to meet you and the other guys and I'm sorry we couldn't stay longer.

jensenracing77

My car body is second week of November. It is cuting it close to be on my car date wise. Not sure how long from the body plant to assembly? Don't matter either way, I am very pleased to get it.

Paladin31

Another day shall present itself, I consider all of us brothers, so it's not an issue.

Paladin31

I have been told as little as 3-8 days...twas just a few blocks after all. for the W's that is.

RocketDevo

The carb that Rand5204 posted is definitely real or the most brilliant fake. I am not just saying that because you elaborated on some details. There is pretty much one consistent aspect of original carbs that the scammers don't seem to know or copy very well. Octania has eluded to it and it is to do with how the numbers were stamped. There can be some inconsistent numbers and letters but the part number is stamped the same way every time.

stevengerard

No one will really look at the date anyway. I think the openface alternator really makes the under the hood pop. Mine is a bit older date but my car was built on the 18th otherwise I'd trade with you.

Boiler_81

Mine is dated Dec 5, 1969 for a fourth week of December car.

jensenracing77

I located another one from a member here that is the perfect date to my car. Not sure if I will go with his and let this one go or keep this one. I have the faked one on there now with FAKE stamped into it. Now that i have a real one, the restamp is not even close.

1320dragmonza

Cruising epay and found this, as I try to educate myself on this issue. Any thoughts on the this listing as being real. I know nothing of who this seller is, but listing does state it as an orginal.




http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-7042953...58cb66&vxp=mtr

NDERISE

just finish reading this thread and like all the others I started thinking what about my carb and dist may I should post them just to make shore they are original. this dist. and carb. were purchased from a very reputable person on this forum, all my life I wanted a completely original #s matching w-30 with a total nut and bolt restoration. please let me know
thanks ray

Dave Siltman

Ray, I hear ya loud-n-clear on wanting a "numbers" car. I think the crooks prey (and pray for) on people who are wanting a correct car. It is so unfortunate that this dilemma has become a "black cloud" hovering over our beloved hobby. When money enters, greed and deceit are sure to follow. CYA and don't be afraid to ask before you purchase. There are still plenty of good, honest, trustworthy fellow members who are willing to help a "brother".

72xw30

Ray,

IMO, I believe that your distributor and carb are NOT authentic.
Look at the other pictures posted in this thread to compare to. Also, I can mail you additional information.
I am looking in more detail at the OW tag and comparing to others transmissions/cars I personally own. I will get back to you on that.

I think I have a pretty good idea to where these parts came from!!!

You have a pm.

Thanks,

Sam

dnmfranco

unreal it still continues
that dist is a joke

66-3X2 442

I'm the person Ray bought the car from. The parts in question,the carb and distributor was bought from Brian Trick by me. If they are re stamps,I'm pissed big time. I paid good money for them and did not know they were re stamped. I do not do business that way,never have never will. As far as the OW trans goes,it came with the car when I bought it and the vin # matches the car. So I'm confident it's the correct trans for the car. You don't know how pissed I am about this because I thought I was doing business with a reputable guy,evidently not.

72xw30

Ray,
Can you post a picture of the ViN stamping on the trans?

The stencil stamping of the OW in red on the trans. looks legit but a couple digits on the OW tag itself look different. BUT if Mike says it's legit then I'm sure it is.

Mike, I was taken too. I'm still trying to get a full refund from the seller of my "fake" W30 parts. I have received about 1/3 so far. Others on this board have received full refunds from the seller of their parts!

1000's of $$$$$ in total have been refunded to other Olds enthusiast over the past 6 months for "not real" W parts. - NO questions asked! I hope you all receive a refund as I hope to one day myself.

Mike, you have a pm.

This BS has to stop!!!

Sam

66-3X2 442

The parts in question were bought from Trick about 2-3 years ago. The trans is no doubt the real deal because when I bought the car,I checked the vin and it definitely matched the car and looked untouched. I'm not a 70-72 guy and I depended on Trick for the parts to be correct but I guess I was sadly mistaken. I have sold thousands of cars and parts in my over 30 years of dealing in Oldsmobiles and I have never had a problem. You ask anybody here who has done business with me and they will tell you I'm straight up. If indeed Brian Trick was doing this,he should be ashamed of himself.

StickW31

Hello Ray,

I would agree 100% with Sam and Deans findings as well. We have helped others in the past as well. Let's hope that there can be some compensation for the parts in question. Give me a call when you can. Pm'd you my info.

Thank you Mike for letting us know the history. Your a stand up guy and are highly respected in the Olds community. Hope you are doing well, haven't seen you since the 2010 nationals in Massachusetts


Steve

NDERISE

sorry sam the trans issue is closed my trans has a very good looking stencil and a very good stamping with and old scratched tag with no paint left on it, and is total original
thanks ray

dnmfranco

well hopefully a refund is in the works

72xw30

Ray,

No biggie to me - just trying to document things so it can be of use to help others down the road like this thread helped you.

Pleasure talking to you.

All the best,

Sam

pogo69

Mike did you contact ray in the late spring that some parts on his car are in question or did you just come out now because Ray is questioning parts Brian Tricks name was associated months ago and dont get me wrong im not accusing you of anything and i hope you told Ray right away because if you didnt it like egg on the face and unfortunate to get stuck in the middle

pogo69

Right, and its a little complicated because if the parts are fake two people got screwed and then you have the issue of what the buyer paid for the car based on the original parts that he wanted and a seller that didnt know the parts were fake

NDERISE

same her sam enjoyed talking to u also and what u and steve are doing is great to all on this forum. I just don't care to post the vin of my car on the web. if someone is advertising and what's to sell a #s matching car, all #s must be wright. thanks to guys like u and steve are here to help us get there.




will send u a email

dnmfranco

well hopefully they will advocate for themselves in my opinion its def not Mikes fault. So the current owner if he wishes needs to follow up.
But since this thread was started you would be surprised of how many were reluctant to get compensated on their own volition
But each to their own

dnmfranco

Morgan whats actually more surprising is that trick is still a member on here .......... granted hasn't posted for obvious reasons but still...................

NDERISE

i'am the guy that bought the car from mike, it is not his fault in any way he thought he was buying a no re-stamp carb and dist . just as all the others that have been scamed. he (mike) had no way of checking if the parts were re-stamps as the parts have been in my possession for the last 2 years. and was told as I was told they were not re-stamped so y worrier. but thanks to steve and sam we can verify the parts we need to be original ones. I think more people will come forward with these problems in time.


thanks ray