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Old July 8th, 2023, 12:59 PM
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Intake manifold oil leak

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I recently had my 1970 350 professionally rebuilt. With a couple hundred miles on it I discovered an oil leak at the passenger side of the intake manifold. It is a factory #16.

Does anyone have advise on how to remedy this concern? See photos for reference.

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Old July 8th, 2023, 01:20 PM
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Wow, that is not where I would expect oil to leak. There’s no pressure in that area, and the only way oil can get there is splashing off the cam and lifters. So there’s no pressure pushing oil into that area.


That stuff looks really dark. Is your oil on the dipstick that dark?
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Originally Posted by Fun71
Wow, that is not where I would expect oil to leak. There’s no pressure in that area, and the only way oil can get there is splashing off the cam and lifters. So there’s no pressure pushing oil into that area.


That stuff looks really dark. Is your oil on the dipstick that dark?

Oil on the dipstick is "clear". Break in oil.
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Old July 8th, 2023, 01:44 PM
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You can get a UV dye kit to add to the oil. This will allow you to verify where the oil is coming from. Here's a kit.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lfn-lf021

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Have a careful look at valve cover mounted things.....PCV's, breathers, and tubes to air cleaner or air cleaner snorkel.
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Old July 8th, 2023, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
Have a careful look at valve cover mounted things.....PCV's, breathers, and tubes to air cleaner or air cleaner snorkel.
New PCV valve looks to be fine working order, the breather was not replaced and is filthy to say the least and appears plugged. I have one on order.

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I'm no expert but I recently used Permatex aviation form-a-gasket on different components when resealing my 350 and when it got hot the sealer seeped and made the appearance of an oil leak. Now I know you have quite a bit standing there but since your oil on the dipstick is clear and this is much darker it's just a thought. Otherwise I agree with Olds64...add dye and check for leaks.
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Are you sure it is oil and not a fuel leak that has boiled down to varnish. Smell the residue to be sure.
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Good suggestion that it could be fuel. The secondary throttle shaft looks to be too dark in color??? and is similar to the pooling/stain. Shouldn't that shaft be green?
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It's definitely oil.

I sopped it up and went for a ten mile jaunt. When I got back I immediately checked it out. It had leaked again but not enough to spill over into the low area. Didn't touch it. Went back a couple hours later and it had drained itself back into the engine.

The numbers on the gasket read: 90736. I have not identified this application but I am wondering if it is something other than the "turkey pan" style gasket.

Dipstick on pinky and pooling on ring fingers.

Pooling after 10 mile ride

2 hour cool down and oil seeped back in the engine
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Intake bolts tight?
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Old July 9th, 2023, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear
Intake bolts tight?
I have no way to re torque the inner 4 without taking carb off. Would it be safe to put a wrench on them and go by feel just to snug them up?

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Yes, just be reasonable with the torque.
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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear
Yes, just be reasonable with the torque.
^^Completely agree^^

BTW, DO NOT use a 12 point socket or a 12 point wrench. Use ONLY a 6 point socket or a 6 point wrench and DO NOT use the open-end of the wrench. Use only the boxed end.
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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
^^Completely agree^^

BTW, DO NOT use a 12 point socket or a 12 point wrench. Use ONLY a 6 point socket or a 6 point wrench and DO NOT use the open-end of the wrench. Use only the boxed end.

Sounds good. The reason I don't want to disturb anything too much is the only way my builder would do the job is if they pulled the engine from the car and installed it in the car. They did give me the ok to re torque the most outer 4 to prevent a one drop of antifreeze at the right front that was collecting on the underside of the head by the fuel pump after the car sat for a week or so without running it (full contraction). This is how I discovered the latest oil leak. According to my paperwork I am still under warranty.

I assume "re torque" when the engine has fully cooled?

Thanks again for all the help and advise.
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I assume "re torque" when the engine has fully cooled?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
Yes.
​​​​​It is definitely oil. Before re torque I am going to pull one bolt out at a time and add sealant. What sealant do you recommend on the bolts?

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ARP thread sealant would be my choice
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I go for Permatex 300.
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Agree with above, Re-torque your intake bolts, I had the same issue on my engine after its first few miles on rebuild.

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I also agree with retightening the intake manifold bolts but I don't think that applying a thread sealer will accomplish anything since the bolt holes in the cylinder heads are "blind".
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Update:

WIth the combination of all the advise on this thread I was able to stop the leak.

Thank you all!

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Excellent news.
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Excellent news.
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A Re-torque fixed the leaks?

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Good to hear that you fixed the leak. The Oldsmobile turkey tray intake manifold gasket isn't easy to install.
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Originally Posted by olds64
good to hear that you fixed the leak. The oldsmobile turkey tray intake manifold gasket isn't easy to install.
^^ x2 ^^
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I removed the two short bolts between 6 and 4. They appeared to have a small amount of thread lock but soaked in oil. Cleaned and reapplied, re torqued all bolts in sequence as per the service manual plus 5lbs. After 30 miles or so there are no visible leaks at this time.
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