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Old July 26th, 2010, 05:13 AM
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I did see a 70 in the swap area for sale. It was white with blue stripes and interior, automatic I believe.
A funny thing when I was talking to the seller of that very same 442,a couple days ago. It seems one of my former co-workers, was a childhood chum of the seller of this 442. Small world!
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Did Tim ever call you back? :-)
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I hung out with Kurt and Ellen and they're totally Oldsmodudes! (well, at least Kurt is . . . )

I posted this in its own thread, but I posted some pics on my blog:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1...Nationals-2010
Diego, nice writeup and final focus on Kurt's car...though the Jetstar I debuted in 1964. And as for being "an extension of the Jetstar 88 series", it might be better to drop that text, as the two series (J88 and J1) are confused enough as it is. For instance, when I had to order wheel cylinders for my car, I didn't even bother to mention the name "Jetstar", just said I needed them for a Starfire.

Perhaps it would be better to say that it was an extension of the Dynamic 88 series...since strictly that included the Delta as well in '65 (i.e. "Dynamic 88 Delta" term used early on) and it was these cars that the J1 has more in common with mechanically.
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Just sharing some pics and experience...

For those who couldn't make it, here's another link to a few pics of the show... Enjoy!
http://s717.photobucket.com/albums/w...view=slideshow


Sorry if this is long winded. That's why I put the link first if nobody wants to read it...

This was my first all Olds show and my first camping trip at Wells State Park. The wife and I got to the campground with our trailer, set up and off to the show by 1pm. We were in awe to all the beautiful Oldsmobiles there. The look on my wife's face was priceless when she saw all the cars! I told her now I can die! Unfortunately it was raining but we had our umbrellas and we didn't care.
Saturday morning we had a great breakfast at camp and decided to go to the all Olds powered drags and try to make it back to the show by 5pm. We get to the end of the Mass pike and traffic was backed up about 2 miles and of course it starts raining. We continue the drive to the track and get stuck in some nasty downpours when we decided to turn around and go back to Sturbridge. We were followed by heavy rains back to the show. Decided to stop at campground first to put some things away before the rains caught up to us. Good thing we did 'cause that's when the clouds opened up.
After that major downpour we headed back to the show to get one last look around. Too bad there were a lot of empty spaces but again I was still very happy to see what was there.
I was looking forward to meeting some of you from the site but it didn't happen. It would have been nice to put faces to some of the members of this site. Guess my timing was way off.
In the end, it was great to see all the beautiful Oldsmobiles and it was motivation to get going on my project again
Camping was a lot of fun too!
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Will check it out tonight - thanks!
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Diego, nice writeup and final focus on Kurt's car...though the Jetstar I debuted in 1964. And as for being "an extension of the Jetstar 88 series", it might be better to drop that text, as the two series (J88 and J1) are confused enough as it is. For instance, when I had to order wheel cylinders for my car, I didn't even bother to mention the name "Jetstar", just said I needed them for a Starfire.

Perhaps it would be better to say that it was an extension of the Dynamic 88 series...since strictly that included the Delta as well in '65 (i.e. "Dynamic 88 Delta" term used early on) and it was these cars that the J1 has more in common with mechanically.
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Will check it out tonight - thanks!
Okay, while we're at it........It was actually an *extension* directly of the Starfire. And yes, it gets lost in confusion with the Jetstar 88, which is a *much* lesser model. The rear end is pure 88, but Delta 88, not Jetstar 88 as the Jetstar 1 has the silver paint inset and trim of the Delta 88, not the Jetstar 88.
And thanks for the feature, Diego! Nice to see the JS1 model get some recognition!
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Mike, I'm curious about the Red '86(?) Cutlass pictured in your photos with the FE3 badging. I've read of the '85 FE3-X Hurst prototype (aka Darth Vader) but did not know that Olds made a production version in the G-body. Anymore info on these?
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I do not believe That FE3 badge or the Olds Rocket emblem next to it on the front bumper of that car are original to it. I've see those FE3 badges on 87-90 FWD cars (88s, 98s, Cieras), possibly some 86s as well (not sure) and possibly also Firenzas. On the FWD cars at least, the FE3 package really made a difference in terms of handliong over the non-FE3 cars (stiffer springs, thicker sway bars, tighter steering ratios). I owned a 1990 88 Royale FE3 coupe, was a superb handling car. That car had load-leveling (air) rear suspension.
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Yeah, I remember the FE3 package on the Front drivers but never on the G-body. I was curious because this Red car has the same wheels that were on the FE3-X Hurst prototype car. I guess it's another "one of none" car.
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Mike, I'm curious about the Red '86(?) Cutlass pictured in your photos with the FE3 badging. I've read of the '85 FE3-X Hurst prototype (aka Darth Vader) but did not know that Olds made a production version in the G-body. Anymore info on these?
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I do not believe That FE3 badge or the Olds Rocket emblem next to it on the front bumper of that car are original to it. I've see those FE3 badges on 87-90 FWD cars (88s, 98s, Cieras), possibly some 86s as well (not sure) and possibly also Firenzas. On the FWD cars at least, the FE3 package really made a difference in terms of handliong over the non-FE3 cars (stiffer springs, thicker sway bars, tighter steering ratios). I owned a 1990 88 Royale FE3 coupe, was a superb handling car. That car had load-leveling (air) rear suspension.
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Yeah, I remember the FE3 package on the Front drivers but never on the G-body. I was curious because this Red car has the same wheels that were on the FE3-X Hurst prototype car. I guess it's another "one of none" car.

Yeah, I've heard of the "Darth Vader" FE3 as well. Wish I had more info on it as well. I'm certainly no official when it comes to proper badging and whatnot on any Olds. That's what I love about this site, always someone here to set things straight. That's part of the reason I posted it. To learn about it and not start any trouble. The window card said it had a 455. It just caught my attention, it's an Olds, and I do have a soft spot for the G body types
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Thanks for the pics.
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just turn your emergency blinkers on in your car.
Except for the fact that a 1962 doesn't have four way flashers...

Fortunately I was able to travel in daylight. I did consider turning on the parking lights on the car if needed.
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Well, I'm finally back and recovered from the trip (mostly), as I managed to catch something that kept me under the weather for much of the week.

First, let me say thanks and congrats to Glen Morris and his team. Their planning paid off, and other than minor hitches that are to be expected, the event was well run. The only thing they missed doing was the human sacrifice to appease the weather gods, but active volcanoes are tough to find in New England, so I guess we'll give them this one.

It was great being able to put faces with folks that I've been corresponding with. I do want to apologize to anyone who introduced themselves to me and got a blank stare in return. I'm awful with names and to be honest I do get a lot of PMs, so I don't always remember immediately. Kurt and his lovely wife Ellen were great to talk to. Love his car.

While I've met Aron before, it was great to meet Juju. I have to admit that I do get a little worried when someone's spouse says "I've heard all about you".

My reputation apparently precedes me.

Got a tremendous number of comments on the 62, all pretty much positive. I did run into one spectator who said "I have this car". Same car, same color, only a few miles down the road from Sturbridge, and up on blocks for the last eight years.

You can't have too many parts cars...

Other than driving through the storms on the way home on Sunday, the trip was uneventful. Unfortunately when we did get home about 7:00 Sunday evening, the power was out due to the same storm front blowing through the D.C. area. We lost a large black walnut tree but fortunately it didn't hit anything on the way down. Went out to dinner and the power was back on shortly after we got back.

Once again, great to see everyone and their cars.
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Okay, Iím overdue with my report! Still trying to catch up from being gone, but thatís a losing battle. I know I did miss seeing a few people I hoped to meet (like Pete Toro68 and Pete Boldsmobile), but there were many old and new friends I had the pleasure of meeting there.
Joe, it was nice to finally meet you after all these years. Joe is not just a wealth of Olds information, but one hell of a nice guy to boot!
Aron, always great to see you. Not only did Juju and my wife enjoy each otherís company, I know theyíre plotting something, so keep a look out!
Eric, your enthusiasm is contagious. Nice to see that you make Oldsmobiles a family thing. Your girls will be mechanics!
WTony, great to meet and talk to you. As I told you, you are far too polite and modest to be from Jersey. But youíre still young. Your W30 is not just an superb Olds, but a great story too!
Diego, a pleasure and thanks for the feature in your column! Your passion for classic cars is admirable.
I know there we others Iím sure Iím missing. Lots of my Oldsmobile family, Iíve known some for almost 25 years now. And the (old and new) cast of the Oldsmobile Performance Club.
The swap meet was as slim as Iíve ever seen it, Iím sure due to the permit/tax requirements of the state of Mass, which obviously is penny-wise and pound-foolish. Too bad, because we all suffered from the small vendor turnout.
Thanks to Glen and the NE gang. Putting on the show is a monumental task that is *not* as easy as it appears, and they had their share of obstacles to overcome, and they did good!
The cars were really outstanding. Lots of interesting entries and just as many interesting stories to go with them. Never before were there *3* nice recreations of significant Olds race cars together.

Maybe you can tell by my post, maybe you canít, but the big secret is that it is really about the people, not the cars. The cars just bring us together.
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Kurt and everyone else, here's more for ya!

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1...Nationals-2010
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I had a great time at the Nationals.

Got to finally meet some people from the forum in person. It was good to meet Joe, Aron and bigoldscruiser (sorry, I am horrible with names).

I think I got a picture of Erik's Vista Cruiser driving through the parking lot, but didn't get a chance to say hi.
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THANK YOU for the many positive comments. At this point in time, we need to hear them.
This was a much bigger undertaking than we ever could have imagined but we feel that we pulled it off adequately.
As always, there are a few that are upset and very vocal. That is human nature and we all have to deal with it. We sincerely apologize to anyone who may have had any issues....We tried our hardest! And Mother Nature is not always easy to deal with as you may know

I did enjoy meeting many people here on the forum. I just wish we could have spent more time chatting with all you Olds people. The six days that we spent at the hotel are all a blur right now and I never really had a chance to see all the great cars. But all the pictures being posted here are terrific and help me fill the void.
Keep 'em coming.
We had 5 or 6 1000 point show cars and that is really amazing. I don't have a final count but at least 50% of the show field scored over 900 points. I think we had right around 400 show cars but haven't been able to verify that.
Final results, names and status should be published in the next JWO. We're still working this and other follow up issues and will be doing so for months. Geez, I thought it was supposed to be over 7/25
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I don't have a final count but at least 50% of the show field scored over 900 points.
Sadly, that may be more of a comment on the state of judging than on the quality of cars. Don't get me wrong, there were lots of very, very nice cars, but as a first time judge, I'll say the process is far from perfect, or even fair. I now know that I could have done a much better job had I been better prepared. Trying to judge a car in the rain is very difficult and it's tough to be fair when half the cars in a class get judged before the rain starts. Also, the first car in line gets MUCH more scrutiny than the last one in any case, rain or shine.

Well, this is really a topic for a different thread (and a letter to Ed Konsmo and OCA).
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Also, the first car in line gets MUCH more scrutiny than the last one in any case, rain or shine.
When I would help with judging at the mid-Ohio chapter show years ago, if there were a large number of cars in a class, to try to counteract this, we would go back and rejudge the first car again without looking at our scoring sheets from the first time through and see if we came up with the same or nearly the same score.

If there were four or five cars in a class, this wasn't really necessary as you can maintain your enthusiasm and energy through all five cars. But if there are 15 cars in the class, your energy can wane as you get to the last cars, and it's not fair to them. So that's when you go back and rejudge the first one or two and check for consistency.
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Joe, interesting observation but very true. I made it to senior this year and I believe it's because it had just started raining when my car was judged. It's not easy to see the paint flaws in the rain
My car is not at all worthy of being a senior
I should be happy but I'd rather be honest
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Did Tim ever call you back? :-)
No, Tim D. has not called me back yet.
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Sorry I missed the big show. I wanted to bang in sick on Friday but I had to cover work appointments that day. (I hate it when work gets in the way of my fun time!) Actually made it up to Mass on Saturday but it poured where we were at (visiting friends) and decided not to make the trip over there figuring it was being rained on. I guess I'll have to wait a few years until it's back here in this area.
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Heck, I think there should be a Regional New England Olds show, every year. Maybe at Strubridge,Mass every year or some other ares in New England, like the N.Conway/White Moutains area in New Hampshire.
About late May or early June would be a good time for it.
Just a though.

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Well, folks, we finally rolled back into Big D yesterday (Saturday) at 5 PM. Good trip, but had some problems w/the CC (now being aptly named CCRider, per Juju's agreement, as we drove into the driveway). Acted like a neutral safety switch or bad ignition switch, or something wrong w/the alarm system, but finally (SaturdayAM in Jopliin, MO) had her towed to the local Firestone (only thing open) and they put it on the rack (I told them I just wanted it running, the same as the previous two days; Mike Payton and I could "finagle" the shift lever/ignition switch/etc and get it to start, finally) and determined it was a bad starter, hit it w/a hammer, and started right up. $20 bucks later, and we are on the road. Never shut her off until in the driveway! SO GREAT MEETING/REMEETING ALL OF YOU IN STURBRIDGE! Joe, Eric, Tony, Pete (& his 1 1/2 car garage!),Kurt, Car Designer, and all others that I am forgetting to mention. Just such a great group of people, and feel honored to be amongst all of you. Needless to say, as soon as I sign off, am going to write September's FMPOV, while stIll fresh in my mind. Juju (the Nagavator) told me we ran about 4370 miles round trip, looks like we averaged about 25 MPG, as lots'a times were were going a bit over the limit, if you know what I mean! Gorgeous cars, everywhere. Next year, RENO, here we come!
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It was nice to meet you and Juju. Glad you made it home safely.

With a little bit of planning I will be in Reno with the Mrs and both of my 1.5 car garages !
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Well, folks, we finally rolled back into Big D yesterday (Saturday) at 5 PM. Good trip, but had some problems w/the CC (now being aptly named CCRider, per Juju's agreement, as we drove into the driveway). Acted like a neutral safety switch or bad ignition switch, or something wrong w/the alarm system, but finally (SaturdayAM in Jopliin, MO) had her towed to the local Firestone (only thing open) and they put it on the rack (I told them I just wanted it running, the same as the previous two days; Mike Payton and I could "finagle" the shift lever/ignition switch/etc and get it to start, finally) and determined it was a bad starter, hit it w/a hammer, and started right up. $20 bucks later, and we are on the road. Never shut her off until in the driveway! SO GREAT MEETING/REMEETING ALL OF YOU IN STURBRIDGE! Joe, Eric, Tony, Pete (& his 1 1/2 car garage!),Kurt, Car Designer, and all others that I am forgetting to mention. Just such a great group of people, and feel honored to be amongst all of you. Needless to say, as soon as I sign off, am going to write September's FMPOV, while stIll fresh in my mind. Juju (the Nagavator) told me we ran about 4370 miles round trip, looks like we averaged about 25 MPG, as lots'a times were were going a bit over the limit, if you know what I mean! Gorgeous cars, everywhere. Next year, RENO, here we come!
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It was great meeting you and JuJu! I hope I did not scare the crap out of you and the Mrs, when I "flew by" you on I-84, in my gold 1968 W-34 Toronado.
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Well, folks, we finally rolled back into Big D yesterday (Saturday) at 5 PM. Good trip, but had some problems w/the CC (now being aptly named CCRider, per Juju's agreement, as we drove into the driveway). Acted like a neutral safety switch or bad ignition switch, or something wrong w/the alarm system, but finally (SaturdayAM in Jopliin, MO) had her towed to the local Firestone (only thing open) and they put it on the rack (I told them I just wanted it running, the same as the previous two days; Mike Payton and I could "finagle" the shift lever/ignition switch/etc and get it to start, finally) and determined it was a bad starter, hit it w/a hammer, and started right up. $20 bucks later, and we are on the road. Never shut her off until in the driveway! SO GREAT MEETING/REMEETING ALL OF YOU IN STURBRIDGE! Joe, Eric, Tony, Pete (& his 1 1/2 car garage!),Kurt, Car Designer, and all others that I am forgetting to mention. Just such a great group of people, and feel honored to be amongst all of you. Needless to say, as soon as I sign off, am going to write September's FMPOV, while stIll fresh in my mind. Juju (the Nagavator) told me we ran about 4370 miles round trip, looks like we averaged about 25 MPG, as lots'a times were were going a bit over the limit, if you know what I mean! Gorgeous cars, everywhere. Next year, RENO, here we come!
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Aron it was a pleasure to meet and speak to you. We were wondering when your first post would come after the long trip home?

Im sorry or conversation was cut short by my little one's cry for help. Oh and she didnt really "break" the hood. Just a molding that came lose somehow and needed a few screws tightened.
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Smile 2010 Olds Nationals, a thank you from Switzerland

Hi Folks

It was a great time at the Nationals in Sturbridge, specially it was my first National. Alot of great Cars and people. I want to say thank you again to everyone who talked with us and show us their car. Also a big thank you to everyone who worked so hard to make this to one of my best vacations I ever had. Hope to see you soon,

Cheers from Switzerland,

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go figure.... I bought my olds that weekend and live about 25 miles away.

Wheres next years???
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unfortunately more than 25 miles for you - Reno, NV!
http://www.norcalolds.com/public/NCO...ls2/index.html

We had a great time at Sturbridge, though did not get to speak with many due to having both kids and plenty of rain. But overall enjoyed and good job by the NE Olds club - thanks!
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I think I got a picture of Erik's Vista Cruiser driving through the parking lot, but didn't get a chance to say hi.
Hi! I did see you driving in the rain with your delta! I had an '84 just like it...might have been the most comfortable car I've ever owned!
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Actually, RocketTrader, some of us from the Board (or exes, as it stands now, for me) visit CO daily. I am very aware of the shortcomings in the judging standards of the OCA, having had some similar experiences on both sides of the fence (being judged/judging). Hopefully, with a new Chief Judge in place, a process has begun. I think we can all realize that it will not be an overnight fix....I'm estimating a 10 year overall time span to get to the point we really need to be. I would hope that those that have the most knowledge of a particular year/type of Oldsmobile would offer their specific notes/ideas/constructive criticisms to Ed to incorporate into a general set of rules to be given to the judges for each specific class. There have to be guidelines given to the judging team, rather than leaving it up to a diverse group of judges and their thoughts/ideas on how to judge. A huge job, and one I wouldn't relish. Much discussion about the problems with the judging prior to its cropping up on CO. Hopefully we have turned the corner, and little by little, with cooperation from all, we can get to the desired level of judging that will please/be most fair/to all. As for myself, I enjoy the award, whatever it is. My total enjoyment in attending the Nationals if seeing the great Oldsmobile's (over-restored, or in progress, whatever the case) and seeing old/meeting new friends from all over. I'm terribly sorry I didn't meet the folks from across the Atlantic (Switzerland, I believe). As I've started saying, I've been around Juju so much, I have become extroverted! Thanks for listening to the rambling answer.

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I was happy to meet Patrick and Heidi. He took a video of the Rund car's engine running; I gues it was loud enough, even through header mufflers
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Geez, I thought it was supposed to be over 7/25
Glen,

I was fielding phone calls and emails for more than a year after the 08's in Dearborn...

Everyone in the Motor City Rockets chapter who attended (sadly not me) said that they had a blast at your event and that everything went exceedingly well for them. Thanks for all of the hard work your team put in on this event.

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