1964 442 Factory 4 speed
June 3rd, 2018, 10:18 AM
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Although some flippers are obnoxious, I don't fault them or hate them. They are just business people trying to make a buck. We are all jealous because they found the cars and we didn't. Granted I think some of them are ******.
65B01Delta, I hate to say it but that is one major screwup. You could have doubled or tripled you money and somebody would have still got a good deal from you. It will be interesting to see if we see this car soon.
65B01Delta, I hate to say it but that is one major screwup. You could have doubled or tripled you money and somebody would have still got a good deal from you. It will be interesting to see if we see this car soon.
June 3rd, 2018, 12:15 PM
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I talked with the owner today he owned the car since 1975 drove the for a few years, had engine rebuilt, repaint (enamel).. The car sat outside for years and was moved to a friends pole barn for the remaining 5. He said it needs floor boards, trunk pan and a lot of Love (rust). Also he will pass my contact info to the new owner, maybe he will call, maybe not.. I would have to admit that it need more than what I could have done, so I probably would have made it roadworthy and drive for a few years, then maybe sell it..
June 3rd, 2018, 01:28 PM
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I despise flippers. They can make a buck off someone else's hobby. They add nothing to the car, other than a higher price tag. Yes, it's good business, yes, it's capitalism, but yes, Jesus kicked the money changers out of the temple, and we could all do a lot worse than to follow His example.
June 3rd, 2018, 01:35 PM
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car flipper
I do both, if a cars a great deal like that one was, I will jump on it, clean it, fix it and flip it. Some I keep for a few years, others I sale in a week or two, why hate me ! just because someone else let it go, and I bought it ! some people don't know how to fix a car, they buy it, and it sets in a yard , or shed for 10 years , then they sell it, mostly at a lost. at least I get it back on the road for someone else to drive it and enjoy it, it's that what should happen with all great cars?
P.S. I buy parts from a lot of the sellers on here, most of them buy them and cut them up, and sell the parts. ( for profit ) is that the same thing as flipping?
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June 3rd, 2018, 05:38 PM
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I don't mind the " flippers " as much as the " hoarders " .
The ones that leave a car sit outside for years , because they are too cheap or shiftless to put them in proper inside storage .
They turn down reasonable offers because they think " that car is going to be worth a fortune someday " .
Meanwhile , the car rusts , weathers, and rots to the point where it is practically worthless to anyone except the scrap dealer .
At least the " flipper " will put the car in the hands of someone who will care for it and preserve it .
The ones that leave a car sit outside for years , because they are too cheap or shiftless to put them in proper inside storage .
They turn down reasonable offers because they think " that car is going to be worth a fortune someday " .
Meanwhile , the car rusts , weathers, and rots to the point where it is practically worthless to anyone except the scrap dealer .
At least the " flipper " will put the car in the hands of someone who will care for it and preserve it .
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June 3rd, 2018, 09:57 PM
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I do both, if a cars a great deal like that one was, I will jump on it, clean it, fix it and flip it. Some I keep for a few years, others I sale in a week or two, why hate me ! just because someone else let it go, and I bought it ! some people don't know how to fix a car, they buy it, and it sets in a yard , or shed for 10 years , then they sell it, mostly at a lost. at least I get it back on the road for someone else to drive it and enjoy it, it's that what should happen with all great cars?
P.S. I buy parts from a lot of the sellers on here, most of them buy them and cut them up, and sell the parts. ( for profit ) is that the same thing as flipping?
P.S. I buy parts from a lot of the sellers on here, most of them buy them and cut them up, and sell the parts. ( for profit ) is that the same thing as flipping?
That marked up car you flipped just put itself out of someone's price range who would desperately love to be in our hobby, but has very little money. That's why. It has to do with markup. Many flippers cheat a little old lady widow out of what the car is worth, then flip it, with no work done, for primo dinero, and rob the above guy of a possible car because now he can't afford it.
It's one thing to buy one for what it is worth, put some care into it, then sell it for an increased value whenever you want to. That's fine. What's not fine is swindling people on both ends and not being in the hobby for being in the hobby.
Parts cars are a different thing entirely.
June 4th, 2018, 05:55 AM
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"It's one thing to buy one for what it is worth, put some care into it, then sell it for an increased value whenever you want to. That's fine. What's not fine is swindling people on both ends and not being in the hobby for being in the hobby"
I agree with this statement 100% and I am sure there are some of these guys out there but I think it is a small percent of them. Unfortunately this is not a hobby for people with little money. Old cars only take two things and that is patience and money and lots of both.
I agree with this statement 100% and I am sure there are some of these guys out there but I think it is a small percent of them. Unfortunately this is not a hobby for people with little money. Old cars only take two things and that is patience and money and lots of both.
June 4th, 2018, 10:21 AM
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This. If somebody with little money did make that score, the car would probably sit rotting away under a tarp in his front yard waiting for a restoration that's never going to happen while the owner chases away anybody who expresses interest in it.
It's better off with the flipper.
It's better off with the flipper.
June 10th, 2018, 03:43 PM
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Here it is Guys.... $12,900 is a bit high I think... I seen a restored one and the Guy was asking 33k... Your opinions, thoughts, comments......
https://www.500classicauto.com/1964_..._20472065.veh#
https://www.500classicauto.com/1964_..._20472065.veh#
June 10th, 2018, 05:33 PM
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If you spend at least $30-$35 thousand on a restoration then you have over $40 grand in the car. I don't know the values on these cars but that seems high. He is trying to sell it for almost 4 times what he paid for it.
June 12th, 2018, 08:51 PM
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June 15th, 2018, 06:42 AM
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The car is a bit rusty and will need a great metal worker or a nice west coast donor car. If the 64 and 65 guys wait long enough, maybe reproduction metal will make it to the market.
June 15th, 2018, 07:18 AM
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Also, is the Muncie not original to the car? The photo is bad, but appears to be a 1966-67 M20. The seller states date code 1124 is January 12, 1964 but in 1964 Muncie only used the day and month for coding. So the date code P1124 means November 24th, correct? The date code of P1124 seems too early for a 6B built car.
bell housing for the 64 442 does not have an inspection plate.
bell housing for the 64 442 does not have an inspection plate.
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June 15th, 2018, 06:31 PM
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June 16th, 2018, 08:41 AM
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in 1965 the lower control arms were boxed for 10 inches and were highly prone to cracking. The car for sale has what appears to be a later control arm. This was not present in 1964. The boxing was basically from end to end. You can speculate that a 6B build date could have parts from a 65 but it’s just that, speculation.
June 16th, 2018, 11:44 AM
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Now that I think of it I remember reading they were not boxed all the way.. They box them further due the the cracking and even further later on... The owner told me it was all original except the shifter, he when he had the engine rebuilt...
