1972 cutlass electronics don't work.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old September 14th, 2017, 07:34 PM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
HarrySlother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 57
1972 cutlass electronics don't work.

What works:
passanger side door light
the hot light when cranking
blinkers and running lights

what dosent work:
windshield wipers
heater
headlights both
not sure fore rear lignts because bumpers not on( does the bumper ground?)
No power from light switch to dimmer switch
all fusses have power Except the 4A fuse which I don't think it's getting power

ask any questions
HarrySlother is offline  
Old September 15th, 2017, 06:54 AM
  #2  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by HarrySlother
ask any questions
Have you looked at the wiring diagram in the Chassis Service Manual? Do you have a test light or VOM?

Look, there are MANY possible causes for these problems. They may or may not be related. The fact that the car is partly disassembled (bumper not on, for example) will DEFINITELY affect this (yes, the bumper is the ground), so without knowing the EXACT state of the car, we'll all just be shooting in the dark.
joe_padavano is offline  
Old September 15th, 2017, 07:59 AM
  #3  
Registered User
 
texxas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 486
Start by cleaning the contacts on all the fuses and the fuse box. I've bought many old cars that have sat for extended periods of time and corroded connections at the fuse box are common.
texxas is offline  
Old September 15th, 2017, 08:04 AM
  #4  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by texxas
Start by cleaning the contacts on all the fuses and the fuse box. I've bought many old cars that have sat for extended periods of time and corroded connections at the fuse box are common.
The headlight circuit doesn't go through the fuse box, so that likely isn't the primary problem.
joe_padavano is offline  
Old September 15th, 2017, 02:23 PM
  #5  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
HarrySlother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Have you looked at the wiring diagram in the Chassis Service Manual? Do you have a test light or VOM?

Look, there are MANY possible causes for these problems. They may or may not be related. The fact that the car is partly disassembled (bumper not on, for example) will DEFINITELY affect this (yes, the bumper is the ground), so without knowing the EXACT state of the car, we'll all just be shooting in the dark.

The front lights are grounded. There is no power going from the light switch to the dimmer switch. I didn't change the resistance wire for the hei when I converted it but I'm going to do that. I have looked at the wiring diagram several times and have tested lots of things. So just ask anything.
HarrySlother is offline  
Old September 15th, 2017, 02:44 PM
  #6  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by HarrySlother
The front lights are grounded. There is no power going from the light switch to the dimmer switch. I didn't change the resistance wire for the hei when I converted it but I'm going to do that. I have looked at the wiring diagram several times and have tested lots of things. So just ask anything.
This is troubleshooting 101. Have you verified power INTO the headlight switch? Do you get power OUT of the headlight switch at the connector? Is there a break in the wire from the headlight switch to the dimmer switch? This is a pretty basic circuit. It has to be one of those three things.
joe_padavano is offline  
Old September 15th, 2017, 06:57 PM
  #7  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
HarrySlother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
This is troubleshooting 101. Have you verified power INTO the headlight switch? Do you get power OUT of the headlight switch at the connector? Is there a break in the wire from the headlight switch to the dimmer switch? This is a pretty basic circuit. It has to be one of those three things.
there is power to the headlight switch but there is no power from the headlight switch to dimmer switch. The headlight switch works for everything else. And there is no damage on the wire anywhere.
HarrySlother is offline  
Old September 15th, 2017, 07:16 PM
  #8  
Registered User
 
Gary M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 2,357
Well, back to what Joe said. Power in and out of switch? No power out of switch sounds like the switch. My 72 switch has a button with a spring on the switch body that you press while the switch is in the on position to remove the **** and shaft. Good luck. Ask more questions if you need to.
Gary M is offline  
Old September 16th, 2017, 06:33 AM
  #9  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by HarrySlother
there is power to the headlight switch but there is no power from the headlight switch to dimmer switch. The headlight switch works for everything else. And there is no damage on the wire anywhere.
Have you verified that there is or is not continuity between the power in and headlight out terminals of the switch when the switch is on? Remove the switch and test across these two terminals.
joe_padavano is offline  
Old September 16th, 2017, 08:57 AM
  #10  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
HarrySlother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Have you verified that there is or is not continuity between the power in and headlight out terminals of the switch when the switch is on? Remove the switch and test across these two terminals.
no I have not done that because getting the switch out and in seems like a nightmare. ill try that and get back to you with the results.
HarrySlother is offline  
Old September 16th, 2017, 09:35 AM
  #11  
Registered User
 
texxas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 486
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
The headlight circuit doesn't go through the fuse box, so that likely isn't the primary problem.
Uhh, OP says MORE than just the headlights don't work. That's not the only problem apparently, I would start by checking and cleaning the fuse holder connections and I guess OP has checked this since just one fuse has no power.
texxas is offline  
Old September 16th, 2017, 09:58 AM
  #12  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by texxas
Uhh, OP says MORE than just the headlights don't work. That's not the only problem apparently, I would start by checking and cleaning the fuse holder connections and I guess OP has checked this since just one fuse has no power.
Yes, but again the headlights DON'T go through the fuse box. Fix one problem at a time. Clearly there are multiple, likely unrelated problems. This is still Electrical Troubleshooting 101.
joe_padavano is offline  
Old September 17th, 2017, 05:36 PM
  #13  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
HarrySlother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Yes, but again the headlights DON'T go through the fuse box. Fix one problem at a time. Clearly there are multiple, likely unrelated problems. This is still Electrical Troubleshooting 101.
I took the switch out and the prong was bent, got it bent and now I have power at the dimmer switch. I have two dimmer switches and both do not work. Is there a switch that I could get to replace the dimmer. A switch that will give power to the low beams when I pull the head light switch. And then when I flip the other switch the high beams will come on.
HarrySlother is offline  
Old September 17th, 2017, 05:44 PM
  #14  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by HarrySlother
I took the switch out and the prong was bent, got it bent and now I have power at the dimmer switch. I have two dimmer switches and both do not work. Is there a switch that I could get to replace the dimmer. A switch that will give power to the low beams when I pull the head light switch. And then when I flip the other switch the high beams will come on.
So NEITHER the high beam nor the low beam terminals on the switch have power when there is power in from the headlight switch? Did you check for continuity across the terminals on the dimmer switch with a VOM?
joe_padavano is offline  
Old September 18th, 2017, 06:54 AM
  #15  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
HarrySlother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
So NEITHER the high beam nor the low beam terminals on the switch have power when there is power in from the headlight switch? Did you check for continuity across the terminals on the dimmer switch with a VOM?
yes neither work because I hot wired it to test the lights and they work. So the issue was the dimmer switch
HarrySlother is offline  
Old September 18th, 2017, 06:59 AM
  #16  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by HarrySlother
yes neither work because I hot wired it to test the lights and they work. So the issue was the dimmer switch
Again, have you tested the switch for continuity? Going 0-for-2 on replacement switches isn't unheard of but suggests that there is another problem. If you jumper directly from the power input wire to the low or high beam wires in the dimmer connector, do the lights come on?
joe_padavano is offline  
Old September 18th, 2017, 07:22 AM
  #17  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
HarrySlother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Again, have you tested the switch for continuity? Going 0-for-2 on replacement switches isn't unheard of but suggests that there is another problem. If you jumper directly from the power input wire to the low or high beam wires in the dimmer connector, do the lights come on?
No I haven't checked the dimmer switch for continuity. yes the headlights work of I jump it that way.
HarrySlother is offline  
Old September 18th, 2017, 07:33 AM
  #18  
Old(s) Fart
 
joe_padavano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 47,266
Originally Posted by HarrySlother
No I haven't checked the dimmer switch for continuity. yes the headlights work of I jump it that way.
It's PROBABLY the switch, but it could also be a loose terminal in the connector that isn't making proper contact.
joe_padavano is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
smkn600ctd
Electrical
9
December 29th, 2014 05:38 PM
Joffroi
Electrical
46
April 6th, 2012 05:47 AM
glord
General Questions
4
September 3rd, 2011 06:57 PM
jensenracing77
The Clubhouse
4
August 1st, 2011 08:00 PM
jcabbott13
Electrical
12
May 1st, 2009 03:53 PM



Quick Reply: 1972 cutlass electronics don't work.



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:22 AM.