Recommendation for sourcing new driveshaft
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Recommendation for sourcing new driveshaft
Hey there members, I’m in process of finishing up my 455 build and TH400 rebuild for my 72. My car currently has a 350 w/TH350 so my current driveshaft wont due. My new 455 motor will make around 550 ish HP and even more torque. I’ve never had to source a driveshaft before in any of my previous projects so looking for recommendations. I know I can buy “off the shelf” length since I am doing the 455 paired with the TH400...but again looking for advice on brand and type. My rear end is a 8.5 10 bolt.
Thanks
Brian
Thanks
Brian
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When I had a locally-built driveshaft made, there was no communication on options for torque capacity and drive line speed limit. They just made a shaft with about the same specs as factory. This was for a 1970 442.
When I did the mechanical work on my Vista Cruiser, I called Denny's Driveshafts. I actually spoke to Denny, who gave me a great education on the interplay of diameter, length, and weight of shaft and how they relate to torque capacity and speed rating. I had options for U-joint capacity as well.
Because of the length of the shaft and limitation on diameter in the stock tunnel, I needed a lighter weight 3.5" shaft.
My experience showed me the value of a specialist firm in helping you if you consider your application to be different from factory.
When I did the mechanical work on my Vista Cruiser, I called Denny's Driveshafts. I actually spoke to Denny, who gave me a great education on the interplay of diameter, length, and weight of shaft and how they relate to torque capacity and speed rating. I had options for U-joint capacity as well.
Because of the length of the shaft and limitation on diameter in the stock tunnel, I needed a lighter weight 3.5" shaft.
My experience showed me the value of a specialist firm in helping you if you consider your application to be different from factory.
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The yoke spline area to u joint varies with brand. OEM Saginaws are around 1.5" iirc, and Spicer more like 2". That will affect the length needed. Mark Williams Masterline series is a good choice if Spicer 1350 joints are OK with you. They would require a new differential companion flange, but aftermarket flanges can be a lot stronger than the OEM. If you will really have that much HP, you want a lot of strength for insurance. Also you will want a driveshaft loop, solidly mounted to the floor at a reinforced area.
MW also has a chart on line with critical speed vs. material and length of the driveshaft. You will probably want 4" aluminum to get adequate critical speed value.
MW also has a chart on line with critical speed vs. material and length of the driveshaft. You will probably want 4" aluminum to get adequate critical speed value.
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The yoke spline area to u joint varies with brand. OEM Saginaws are around 1.5" iirc, and Spicer more like 2". That will affect the length needed. Mark Williams Masterline series is a good choice if Spicer 1350 joints are OK with you. They would require a new differential companion flange, but aftermarket flanges can be a lot stronger than the OEM. If you will really have that much HP, you want a lot of strength for insurance. Also you will want a driveshaft loop, solidly mounted to the floor at a reinforced area.
MW also has a chart on line with critical speed vs. material and length of the driveshaft. You will probably want 4" aluminum to get adequate critical speed value.
MW also has a chart on line with critical speed vs. material and length of the driveshaft. You will probably want 4" aluminum to get adequate critical speed value.
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Dennys...
http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/
Click on the how to measure tab for that info.
Be aware your e brake forward cable will interfere with a non stock shaft. I haven't reworked a viable fix for mine yet.
http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/
Click on the how to measure tab for that info.
Be aware your e brake forward cable will interfere with a non stock shaft. I haven't reworked a viable fix for mine yet.
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http://fleetpride.com/
I supplied a stock driveshaft and told them what I wanted for center to center (I used the Denny's website referenced above). They charged me a little over $100 to cut down, weld, and balance the driveshaft I supplied
I supplied a stock driveshaft and told them what I wanted for center to center (I used the Denny's website referenced above). They charged me a little over $100 to cut down, weld, and balance the driveshaft I supplied
Last edited by allyolds68; September 26th, 2018 at 01:55 PM.
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Stock quality tubing, ends, and yoke are OK for near stock HP. For 550 HP I would not want to trust stock stuff. When you are going through the traps at 120+ mph and 6500+ driveshaft/engine rpm, you want the best.
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I dont know Mike. Normally I would agree but I just had the main driveshaft in the 250 balanced and rejointed by Fleet Pride and it definitely wasn't up to par at all. The over centered both joints which caused a vibration. I took it back and they whacked the cups with a hammer and handed it back to me. Im all done there. I found Cook Brothers truck parts off Mt Read Blvd/Driving Park area here. The parts guy and I know each other from my Delphi days. They surfaced my flywheel and rebuilt the main and half shafts in the 68 Vette. I watched him do this work. They know what they are doing. Dennys is top notch as well. He did an aluminum shaft for the 442. Its a piece of art. But I dug deep for that one. Not all Fleet Prides are created equal buyer beware.
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Agreed, thus the need for a Dennys Shaft. He makes stock shafts too.
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Denny said I needed a 3.5 metal matrix composite shaft to get the strength and critical speed value. If a 4" would have fit, the construction would have been just as you described.
My driveshaft speed was high because of the 4.10 rear axle ratio. The extended wheelbase required a very light and stiff driveshaft.
Even with the 3.5" shaft I had to heat the smallest area of the driveshaft tunnel and use a 4" pipe on a jack under the hot sheet metal to recontour that area. (The area is about a foot aft of where the attached picture ends.)
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