Do I Need An Ignition System
February 28th, 2011, 08:29 PM
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Do I Need An Ignition System
It take my car a long time to start. I say around the 5th or 6th try it will fire right up. I know Im getting fuel, there is an electronic fuel pump hooked up. I have a 64 Cutlass with a 76 Cutlass engine. I was wondering if I got an MSD ignition, would that help my starting situation??
March 1st, 2011, 12:09 PM
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March 7th, 2011, 09:24 PM
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Ok, I think you are correct. I checked the carb before I started the car and all butterflies were open. (I’m pretty sure that the butterflies need to be closed so the car will start. please correct me if I’m wrong) I closed the butterflies by moving the choke assembly next to the throttle cable. (Bare with me! LOL! I think I’m explaining this correctly, If not, please correct me) Every time I step on the pedal (move the throttle cable) the choke assembly falls and the butterflies open. I looked on the left side of the carb (facing the front). I noticed that there is a tab with a hole in it. I look like there is suppose to be a spring there. Is this true?? If so, where do I put the other end of the spring?? BTW, I finally drove the 64 today! WOW! This thing hauls ***!! Seat pinning action! The tires screech at a standstill! This is my first real Hot Rod that I've been tinkering with and things are paying off. I just have stupid issues like this choke situation. I enclosed some pics so you would have a visual on what I’ve been trying to explain. Please leave any and all feedback.
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Last edited by plee3 64Olds; March 7th, 2011 at 09:29 PM.
March 8th, 2011, 03:37 AM
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Looks like your choke's not connected.
I know NOTHING about Weber carbs for American cars (Porsches are another story...), so I can't say how it would normally be hooked up. Frankly, I had no idea they even MADE them for American cars.
I'd probably install a manual choke cable and call it a day.
- Eric
I know NOTHING about Weber carbs for American cars (Porsches are another story...), so I can't say how it would normally be hooked up. Frankly, I had no idea they even MADE them for American cars.
I'd probably install a manual choke cable and call it a day.
- Eric
March 8th, 2011, 06:57 AM
#10
Excellent information gentlemen!!!!! 
I understand! You guys are pretty awesome! I really appreciate all of the responses! I’m just a gear head that have a pretty decent toy to play with this summer
. I’m pretty good with working on cars. I just don’t know the details like this that would cause me problems. I hope that I can get this at a local Parts Store. 1 more issue I have noticed, it takes an awful long time for me to shift out of 1st gear. I done some research and read that I need to hook a vacuum line from the carb to a transmission module. Is this correct?? Would this solve the long shifting time?? If so, where exactly is the trams module located?? I know where to hook the vacuum up to the carb, just not aware of any trans modulator.
I understand! You guys are pretty awesome! I really appreciate all of the responses! I’m just a gear head that have a pretty decent toy to play with this summer. I’m pretty good with working on cars. I just don’t know the details like this that would cause me problems. I hope that I can get this at a local Parts Store. 1 more issue I have noticed, it takes an awful long time for me to shift out of 1st gear. I done some research and read that I need to hook a vacuum line from the carb to a transmission module. Is this correct?? Would this solve the long shifting time?? If so, where exactly is the trams module located?? I know where to hook the vacuum up to the carb, just not aware of any trans modulator.
March 8th, 2011, 07:21 AM
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...it takes an awful long time for me to shift out of 1st gear. I done some research and read that I need to hook a vacuum line from the carb to a transmission module. Is this correct?? Would this solve the long shifting time?? If so, where exactly is the trams module located?? I know where to hook the vacuum up to the carb, just not aware of any trans modulator.
It looks like this:
- Eric
(assuming a TH350 trans with your 350 motor in a '64)
March 8th, 2011, 07:33 AM
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A vacuum leak can cause the trans to hold in gear also if it's connected to that vacuum modulator on the trans. Many vacuum lines could be connected there so you'll have to check them all.
That is a manual choke Carter (Edelbrock now). If you had an automatic choke, either hot air or electric it would have been attached to the carb at those three mounting tabs on the passenger side.
That is a manual choke Carter (Edelbrock now). If you had an automatic choke, either hot air or electric it would have been attached to the carb at those three mounting tabs on the passenger side.
March 8th, 2011, 07:57 AM
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March 8th, 2011, 08:57 AM
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March 8th, 2011, 09:48 AM
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This explains the Carter, Edelbrock, Weber connection.
'Carter AFB's were produced as the Carter Performance Series carbs until 1998. They are currently available as Edelbrock AFB carbs, which are produced by Weber USA. Most parts, including tuning parts like the jets and metering rods are interchangeable between the original Carter AFB's and the currently produced Edelbrock carbs.'
http://www.carbkitsource.com/carbs/t...AVS-index.html
What you have is a Carter AFB basically. Although a later version made by Weber who now makes them for Edelbrock.
'Carter AFB's were produced as the Carter Performance Series carbs until 1998. They are currently available as Edelbrock AFB carbs, which are produced by Weber USA. Most parts, including tuning parts like the jets and metering rods are interchangeable between the original Carter AFB's and the currently produced Edelbrock carbs.'
http://www.carbkitsource.com/carbs/t...AVS-index.html
What you have is a Carter AFB basically. Although a later version made by Weber who now makes them for Edelbrock.
March 8th, 2011, 10:41 AM
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This explains the Carter, Edelbrock, Weber connection.
'Carter AFB's were produced as the Carter Performance Series carbs until 1998. They are currently available as Edelbrock AFB carbs, which are produced by Weber USA. Most parts, including tuning parts like the jets and metering rods are interchangeable between the original Carter AFB's and the currently produced Edelbrock carbs.'
http://www.carbkitsource.com/carbs/t...AVS-index.html
What you have is a Carter AFB basically. Although a later version made by Weber who now makes them for Edelbrock.
'Carter AFB's were produced as the Carter Performance Series carbs until 1998. They are currently available as Edelbrock AFB carbs, which are produced by Weber USA. Most parts, including tuning parts like the jets and metering rods are interchangeable between the original Carter AFB's and the currently produced Edelbrock carbs.'
http://www.carbkitsource.com/carbs/t...AVS-index.html
What you have is a Carter AFB basically. Although a later version made by Weber who now makes them for Edelbrock.
Interesting! So I have a Carter, (original manufacturer) Edelbrock, (the distributor) Weber (the new manufacturer who makes them for Edelbrock to sell) carb. Would I be correct in my wording??
March 8th, 2011, 11:07 AM
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I cant wait to get back home to tinker some more! I stayed up till 1:30am playing with this toy! LOL! I was going to call off from work but decided to come in. (I got to make the money to make this car right! No work, no pay or play)
March 8th, 2011, 09:21 PM
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I installed the manual choke cable this evening and hooked up the vacuum line from the carb to the trans modulator. BIG DIFFERANCE! Started at the 2nd try! I also took it for a drive and it shifted in all gears! The car drives well. I still have a ways to go. When I’m cruising and floor it, it will not downshift. Is there anything else missing??
Started at the 2nd try! I also took it for a drive and it shifted in all gears! The car drives well. I still have a ways to go. When I’m cruising and floor it, it will not downshift. Is there anything else missing??
March 9th, 2011, 06:34 AM
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I am unaware of what a "kickdown linkage" is. I am going to say no. All I have is the throttle cable going to the carb. On the pics above, where would a kickdown linkage be placed?? How does the kickdown cable change the gears inside the trans??
March 9th, 2011, 10:15 AM
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It is a cable or rigid hollow rod that runs from your throttle lever to a spot on the transmission that tells it when you floor the pedal.
- Eric
March 9th, 2011, 01:40 PM
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yes it is a '76 TH350 with a 350 engine. Here are some pics of the new beast.
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As you can see, I still have a ways to go. I would like to clean the wires up in the engine bay That is my specialty. Im an Electronic Maintenance Coordinator at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. Ive been dealing with electronics since I was a kid! Getting the engine running to its potential is a challange to me. I seen a kickdown cable kit at Pepboys last night. would that be sufficient?? Where on the tranny do I hook the cable up to?
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As you can see, I still have a ways to go. I would like to clean the wires up in the engine bay That is my specialty. Im an Electronic Maintenance Coordinator at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. Ive been dealing with electronics since I was a kid! Getting the engine running to its potential is a challange to me. I seen a kickdown cable kit at Pepboys last night. would that be sufficient?? Where on the tranny do I hook the cable up to?
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March 9th, 2011, 01:59 PM
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I see you have the rare "dual column / floor shifter" feature...
I can't say exactly how to hook up a kickdown cable or rod - one of those "I know it when I see it" things, but it should be on the Left side.
I'm sure others can wax poetic on this one.
- Eric
I can't say exactly how to hook up a kickdown cable or rod - one of those "I know it when I see it" things, but it should be on the Left side.
I'm sure others can wax poetic on this one.
- Eric
March 19th, 2011, 06:32 PM
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Here is a thread that has a picture to what it hooks up to. Its on the passenger side under the cooling lines.
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...7655-what.html
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...7655-what.html
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