black67442

I'm posting this for a friend of mine. This is a factory built 67 442 w30 4 speed. The engine is not original to the car, but has the correct E block 400 with C heads. According to the protect-o-plate the car came with a Q9 coded
4:33 posi. This code is a 67 w30 only code for a factory built w30 that had Disc brakes. The engine was replaced in 1968 under warranty by an olds dealership. The original rear end is not in the car. It has an Olds 12 bolt 3:55. All of the original w30 OAI parts are still on the car. Please contact myself or the Owner with interest.

My name: Jonathan Mott. My cell 208-731-7783

Owner: David Fox 919-614-2570

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1001coins

how much is asking price

72xw30

David the Owner of the 67 W30 told me that the asking price is 49K.

Sam

oldsmobiledave

There is no such thing is 3.55 gears for an Olds 12 bolt. Good luck with the sale.

black67442

I don't know what to tell you about the rear. The axle code stamped on it is
"SJ" witch according to the books is a code for 3.55 posi. I have attached
a pic of the rear.

Octania

I have never seen so many codes at the bottom of a Lansing body tag. Wow.

Do you happen to have a close photo of just the POPlate part of the manual? Just for posterity/ curiosity. Just the metal plate part showing engine and trans ID & such. Thanks.

black67442

Here ya go

wmachine

Good news and bad news:

The Q9 on the POP does mean that it came with a 4.33 for disc brakes. (Also documents that it is a factory W30. Only W30s came with Q5/Q9 coded rears.)
But that also means it was a 10 bolt cover/gear.
So the 12 bolt is a replacement. BUT. If a true SJ code O-type, that is a 1970 3.91 W30/W31 unit. (Have to look in the right book!)

black67442

thanks for the input kurt!!!!

black67442

here is the info on the Protect-o-Plate as it is backwards

Protect-O-Plate Info:


975-R1 338177M266302

V212950G PQ- 9 W

P7A12 05100

wmachine

Pretty cool car, as you already know! Interesting that the POP is actually stamped " P Q5 9". Would make you wonder if it should be Q5 or Q9, but the 5 in the 25100 confirms the disc brakes. More than likely the 9 stamp was added when they realized the 5 was wrong.

black67442

This is only the 2nd Q9 rear end car that is a factory Q9 car I have seen of the surviving 67 w30 Cars.

Oldsmaniac

Does anyone know or can guess to the number of surviving 67 W30's. Would be interesting to know. Would 100 cars be too big a guess?

black67442

Myself and 3 other gentlemen have spent many combined years working together to track the surviving factory w30 cars for the 1967 model year.
We know of 33 cars. On each of these 33 cars we have a substantial amount of data on each car to document them. The above car is one we have documented. I strongly doubt there are 100 survivors out there.

Oldsmaniac

Thats good info, Thanks and just one more question, Just over 500 units were produced to enable legality in NHRA. So were all the cars aimed at track destiny or were some just built to fill the quota and had amenities that would appeal to the street hot rodder. In other words why were some built with power steering, brakes, consoles, and not just stripped down bare bones models models. I would think any car with 433's form the factory were aimed at strip only usage.

black67442

From what I understand, though I am not 100% sure on this answer so its just an educated guess, not all were destined for the track, NHRA had a production minimum of 500 cars to be built for the w30 to qualify to race, therefor 504 cars were produced. The 67 w30 could be ordered with a Q5/Q9 4:33, a TH 3:90, or a SJ 3:55. so with some coming with a 3:55 gears, PS and PB its not likely they were intended for the track but were ordered by buyers/dealerships that way. Also since only 500 cars were required and that they built 504 cars, Its likely they built 4 more cars than required because they were ordered. to build 4 more cars just to build them without having orders for them does not make sense. Since Oldsmobile offered over the counter the "track Pack w30 option" shows that they wanted the OAI system to be in the consumers hands and end up on cars. Anybody else have input on this?

wmachine

This question comes up with all of the performance cars from all years and not just Oldsmobiles. If it was all about the optimum for racing, they would all have been post coupes with not a single option that would add weight. But take a look at what was actually raced. Sure, generally more stripped, but certainly far from all, and most had a smattering of options don't make sense to us as we look back. But of those that raced, numbers were ordered by dealers and some even by Zone Managers that sent them to particular dealers. And they weren't counting every pound like a hardcore racer. And some classes had weights involved that meant you saw convertibles (the heaviest) racing.
So we look back now with close scrutiny at the weight (and cost) of options and wonder why. But still, virtually half of the 54 1966 W30s were the heavier hardtops and many of the 54 had options that added weigh. And those were *all* made for racing.

wmachine

Take Tweed for example and his '67 W30. I hope he'll chime in here. His was a race car right from the get go. Okay it was a post car. He may argue that the rear antenna option adds weight over the right rear to help launches, but what's he doing with a radio to begin with? And his came with a 3.90 rear. Who knows why, but it didn't matter as it was quickly pulled in favor of a Chevy 12 bolt rear.
Just showing that the race cars were not all optimally equipped.

black67442

Those are good points Kurt

Mikes442

I realize that I am talking about a 1966 W30 but I have a window sticker of one of the 54 and it is a 3817 Cutlass 442 somewhat loaded.


L69 TriCarb
W30 Force-Air Induction System
M21 Close Ratio
G80 AntiSpin
N40 Pwr Steering
J50 Pwr Brakes
D31 Glareproof rearview
Y60 Visor Vanity mirror
Luggage Compartment lamp
Glove Box lamp
U40 Parking brake signal lamp
U63 Deluxe Radio
U16 Engine Tachometer
P01 Wheel discs
B32 Aux front floor mats
B33 Aux rear floor mats
B93 Chrome door edge mouldings
D55 Sports Console
V01 HD radiator
A39 Deluxe frt & rr seat belts - frt retract


This car was sold at Holiday Olds in Min.


NHRA just wanted 500 cars to be available to the public in '67. In 1966 they just needed 50 cars available.

88hurstolds

Saw a black/red one on Mecum fully restored go for $61k, not sure about the documentation or numbers matching... it was a beaut!

oldsmobiledave

This 67 W-30 has been for sale in AZ for years. It has 3.90 gearing.

I presume that this Saffron painted car is among the 33 you have accounted for.

http://arizonaclassics.net/CarDetails.aspx?carID=402

L69

Sam she's a beauty.

Rocketguy

Very gorgeous and interesting car!

I realize it follows the thread but. . . .

I wonder what "factory ordered" means to them.

I have never seen "fiberglass" inner fender fillers.

What does "GT stripe delete" mean?

How about that exhaust! Mufflers with weird size expander inlets, and welded to the weird (only on one side) size reduced tailpipes?

black67442

Yes this is one we have accounted for.