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Old August 16th, 2018, 02:18 PM
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1971 Bittersweet 442 W30 (not mine)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Oldsmo...53.m1438.l2649

Car is listed on ebay without reserve
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Old August 16th, 2018, 02:43 PM
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Here is a Quote From: https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ttersweet.html

Originally Posted by johnbumb@charter.net
Sal,

I’m an OCA, NAOC, and Archway (St. Louis) Olds club member,

I have a Bittersweet W30 hardtop going up for sale on EBay tomorrow evening. Expected price for a very nice car may be more than you are wanting to spend. If you want further details please feel free to call me at
314-713-3444 CST.

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Old August 16th, 2018, 03:06 PM
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It's a nice looking car. I wonder if the girl goes with the car
I found this interesting
There is a 12-bolt posi-traction rear-end believed to be original to the car.
1971 Olds A bodies got a 10 bolt corporate rear end, not a 12 bolt.
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Old August 16th, 2018, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
It's a nice looking car. I wonder if the girl goes with the car
I found this interesting 1971 Olds A bodies got a 10 bolt corporate rear end, not a 12 bolt.
Though a bit blurry, the rear axle looks to be a 10-bolt from the photo.
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Old August 16th, 2018, 03:27 PM
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On close inspection I believe you're right. I was just quoting the seller.
The front bumper also needs to be properly fitted in the center. Proper spacing on the outside but not gapped properly at the center of the stone shield.
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Originally Posted by Allan R
On close inspection I believe you're right. I was just quoting the seller.
The front bumper also needs to be properly fitted in the center. Proper spacing on the outside but not gapped properly at the center of the stone shield.
I found it odd too about the seller claiming a 12-bolt, and decided to see if a photo available. Luckily the W30 is an automatic since no documentation available, and the transmission has correct partial VIN stamped into it.
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Old August 16th, 2018, 05:31 PM
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.... Luckily the W30 is an automatic since no documentation available, and the transmission has correct partial VIN stamped into it.
You must have really good eyes to see that on the transmission. The 71 W30 AT should be a TH400 with an OW tag. Where did you see that? Or were you simply stating that the transmission should be able to be easily identified?
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Old August 16th, 2018, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
You must have really good eyes to see that on the transmission. The 71 W30 AT should be a TH400 with an OW tag. Where did you see that? Or were you simply stating that the transmission should be able to be easily identified?
Actually, not so good eyesight. lol

I was going by what the seller wrote regarding the matching transmission. If I recall correctly, the partial VIN is also stamped into the transmission's housing.
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Old August 16th, 2018, 08:17 PM
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I’m the owner of the Bittersweet W30 currently being offered for sale on EBay.

To clear up some questions about the car.

Car is a real deal W30. I bought the car off an Oklahoma gentleman who owned the car from 1980-2017 when I bought it. I have a letter of authenticity signed and notarized by the previous owner stating car was a W30 when he bought it.

Car has the OW tranny tag and the tranny VIN matches the VIN on the dash. I talked with Stephen Minore, well known Olds guru and authenticator about this. It is his belief the presence of the OW tag and matching tranny VIN to the car’s VIN on these W’s is just about all the proof you need to know you are looking at a real deal W.

Rear end is a 10 bolt SS 3:23 again further authenticating the car. Not 12 bolt as stated in the EBay ad.

Unfortunately the previous owner never found a build sheet and nor have I.

Lastly, car does not have a number matching engine. Nor, did it when the previous owner bought it in 1980.

Bid with confidence on this car. I’m a proud OCA, NAOC and Archway (St. Louis) Olds member. John.
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Old August 16th, 2018, 09:33 PM
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Great looking car - inside and out. Love the color GLWS
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Old August 16th, 2018, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by johnbumb@charter.net
".............I bought the car off an Oklahoma gentleman who owned the car from 1980-2017 when I bought it......... “
That car is 10x nicer today than it did 1 year ago when it was posted here:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-w30-sale.html
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Does the engine have the correct Heads, carb and distributor? I think I see an aluminum intake unless its been painted?
Seems like a pretty good deal so far?
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Beautiful car and love the colors but doesn’t say if it has H heads , great car and probably a W30 car
the one the dealer in Florida has with the ugly sun roof is it bad but wrong motor in that one
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Old August 18th, 2018, 02:27 PM
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thermostat housings look different between the barn and ebay pictures, also the front bumper, nice car love the color, 29,000 miles? why flip such a nice car?
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Old August 18th, 2018, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by johnbumb@charter.net
Unfortunately the previous owner never found a build sheet and nor have I.
You never will on a true W30. Lansing was the only factory that produced them and they were meticulous about removing build sheets. You may have a broadcast card somewhere in the car if you're lucky but that's about it.
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Old August 18th, 2018, 05:54 PM
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Allan,

You are correct. I meant to say the previous owner and I have never found the broadcast card. I have never spoken to anyone who has a W30 build sheet.
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Miles

Mileage - car has 129,000 miles on it. Previous owner bought it in 1980 with somewhere around 78,000 miles on it. There are many differences/improvements in the car since I purchased the car in July of 2017.

I am selling the car to fund another project.

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Old August 19th, 2018, 08:17 AM
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John,
what are you hoping to get for the car, I still have not heard if it has the original H heads, carb or distributor?
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Old August 19th, 2018, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by johnbumb@charter.net
Mileage - car has 129,000 miles on it. Previous owner bought it in 1980 with somewhere around 78,000 miles on it.
I would be concerned that your eBay ad says the car only has 29,061, yet you know it to have turned over once already. That may get some push back from a buyer, especially if they think they're getting a car that has next to no miles on it. And there's nothing in the text to indicate that the odometer has turned over either. I note that you added details about the OW transmission; that being the case it might be prudent to update your ad to disqualify the 29K miles in favor of 129K miles. Especially since the buyer is getting the provenance for the car showing the PO had bought it in 1980 with 78K miles on it. (unless I missed something reading the ad??)

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Old August 19th, 2018, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dcurtis61
what are you hoping to get for the car, I still have not heard if it has the original H heads, carb or distributor?
Dan,
From post 11 (Texas442), going back to when the car was a barn fine, here is the information you may be looking for. Engine may have the H heads, but unknown if it was a total engine swap since there's nothing in the listing to indicate that. One would hope the H heads were transferred if they knew the value of them.

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Old August 19th, 2018, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dcurtis61
John,
what are you hoping to get for the car, I still have not heard if it has the original H heads, carb or distributor?
Dan
Dan, you should totally buy this car😀
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Someones getting a smoking deal if it stays at this price?
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Old August 19th, 2018, 12:54 PM
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yes, it's a nice car. I'm hoping the replacement engine in the car was built to 1971 W30 specs, but we don't know that. I'm watching the listing too.
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