Bigmikey65

Saw this on garagekeptmotors.com.

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no1oldsfan

Kiss my A... You want how much? Aftermarket hood for the start. Obviously removed body plate. It really sucks how Oldsmobile's have become the new overpriced mark. Remember the fall of Mopar's? This seller is HIGH!!! They won't even get 70 to anyone that knows Anything.

Alain V.

It’s a shame what greedy sleazy types and speculators, along with the moronic tv shows have done to this hobby.

tnswt

So in post #4, what is that doc with the heading Oldsmobile Production Code B 1970 Model? Is that the sheet Lansing usually threw in the trashcan?

steedaq

For sure…They’re all out of my price range. After I sold my vert, I was hoping to restore another but I can’t even get into one.

Stefano

Very early build W-30.

no1oldsfan

But is it really? The body tag is obviously screwed with. What are the chances of the VIN being the same way. That is stupid Stupid money for that car. 140 Grand??? If you take the gamble on a removed body tag car for that cash then you deserve to get screwed. I am out on any rebodied body tag changed car. Period. Bullshitters are dedicated. That car has been worked over bumper to bumper. I wouldn't give you 20k for that car. Once the body tag has been screwed with?? No thank you. 140 k with an aftermarket hood is an absolute joke.

steedaq

Obviously, you folks know more about these cars than I do. How can you tell the body tag has been messed with? Would that even matter with the build sheet showing W-30?

hurst68olds

in the collector car world, everything can & has been FAKED or recreated from thin air - it would take a masters class to determine what is AUTHENTIC on any "collectable vehicle"

no1oldsfan

Exactly my point. Even you said "collector market". That is Exactly what is bullshit about all these prices. When a fool doesn't care if a car is authentic? One reason money hungry bullshitting focus on an Olds. Very hard to prove. Fools with cash don't care what they are buying. I am so out with the idiots. Did I say Idiot's? Paying Stupid money for any whatever? Go get it. You are an idiot. Five ten years from now you won't get a dime for your faked whatever. You cannot dispute that this body tag has been removed. How could you possibly trust the VIN? Stupid Stupid Stupid money gets over on stupid clueless fools with too much money. 140 grand??? Aftermarket hood obviously installed? Screw all this BS.

Stefano

Yes it really is, based on the info presented on the body tag , the vin and all of the paperwork, it would have been built on the first week of W-30 production for 1970. Since I have not seen the car in person I can not arrive at the same conclusions which you have, even though you may be correct. While I personally do not like when cowl / tags are removed for restoration work, I see nothing to indicate that this car is fake. Anyone interested to purchase should perform their due diligence.

OLDSter Ralph

When was the first week of production for 1970 W-30's ? Did they produce them in batches or randomly go down the assembly line ?

BangScreech4-4-2

Why does everybody get upset about outlandish asking prices? Those aren't selling prices and if they're too high the market will sort them out soon enough. Or, if somebody comes along and pays the price, that buyer will eventually discover that he's wearing an overpriced car when it comes time to sell.

Either way, it does no harm to you.

Bigmikey65

Fake or not the car obviously went through a high end restoration at some point in it’s lifetime. Are data plates or VIN plates normally removed by high end restoration shops during their work ?

Stefano

The answer is it depends, sometimes the restoration necessitates replacing or restoring the areas where either the VIN or trim tag is riveted to the respective panel. Other times restoration shops want to make things look as perfect as possible and if a body is dipped vs blasted then aluminum trim tags and rivets will not hold up. There are many potential reasons either of the tags could be removed during a restoration. Fraud and rebody could be reasons as well. This is why I prefer a car which has never had its tags removed.

tnswt

Exactly.....and to be truthful, a little less use of slang adjectives and nouns by certain individuals would be nice too.

tnswt

So can anyone response to my question in post 7?

Bigmikey65

Are there any laws or regulations governing the removal and re-installation of a vehicles VIN plate to the same vehicle ?

Stefano

This is a "build sheet" of sorts but I do not know if this is one used on the assembly line or office. There were usually multiple copies of the same sheet.

tnswt

Appreicate it....

mrolds69

Exactly...what Stephano said. Some say broadcast sheets, some build sheets, some Fisher body sheets. Some were stuffed in hidden places, some plants used different sheets, some got 4 sheets and others just a couple.

capstoneclub

I have owned a 70-442 vert 4 speed for 20 yrs. Have have invested well into the six figures on it. Like every asset I own, I prefer that asset to appreciate greatly over the many years I own said asset. That said, I never bought my car thinking that I would make money from the sale of it. But all things being equal, yeah, I'll take the upside someday if it occurs down the road.

truckman5000

My car was born the same day.
mine has the same options. Except green

idk....I'd think my car is worth, 70k tops.
But the insurance company says 150k, and it's 13$ more amonth to do so.
.......so.....maybee that's the answer.

hotrod442

Why do you think that the body tag was "obviously" screwed with? If it is because of the seam sealer dabbed on the rivets, I can tell you our '70 W-30 (build date Jan. '69) is pretty much identical to what is pictured here......and I can assure you it is untouched.

matt68F-85

Nice car but somewhat sketchy.
By posting a window sticker, it should match the car.
Window sticker options I don’t see on the car:

N42 deluxe with instant horn steering wheel
B93 chrome door edge guard mouldings
T44 interior hood lock
U57 stereo tape player
B85 chrome side window sill mouldings
U15 safety sentinel

Underhood lamp missing

Andy

Well said, unless you view it personally you have no idea..even then you better know what your looking at and looking for..amazing how many keyboard experts. One thing for sure is there are people out there so good at reproducing fakes that even seriously knowledgable experts have to really do their job to identify them. And they get fooled too. Look at the corvette world, fakes pass inspection many times. They are just that good. Sad but true

no1oldsfan

It is true with pretty much anything collectable. Sad reality. Scammers don't have much soul.

I know my viewpoints came off as radical. My point is that if you put up a car for crazy money like this it had better be dead on. This car isn't. The cars options listed aren't even on the car. AFTERMARKET hood?? For 140k you can't even hunt down a factory hood? That's the joy of buying from a high volume everything pretty car dealer. Hey I guess if you can find the right fool. Great looking car for sure.

joe_padavano

The factory dabbed seam sealer on the cowl tag rivets on the assembly line. Every A-body I own has this.

capstoneclub

This

no1oldsfan

Learn something new every day.
Oh course they just had to add the wing. It didn't come with it. To each his own. If people think this car is worth 140 grand go get it.

BangScreech4-4-2

I agree the car is overpriced, but I try not to take it as a personal insult.

dc2x4drvr

^^^