1970 Matador red?

Old March 25th, 2016, 10:53 AM
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1970 Matador red?

Does anyone have a picture of matador red for 1970?

everytime i look it up in paint charts or google images i get 3 different shades

i'd like to paint my car back to the original colour which is supposedly that red.

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Old March 25th, 2016, 01:59 PM
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http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcod...mobile&rows=50

I don't see Matador Red listed for 1970. What am I missing?
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Old March 25th, 2016, 02:41 PM
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Maybe its fire red? idunno, i was talking to a guy with a 71 a year ago and he was certain 75 meant matador..
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Old March 25th, 2016, 03:23 PM
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According to the 1970 Oldsmobile Full Line Prestige Brochure Matador Red was definitely a color offered. According to paintref.com it was code 75 for GM. http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcod...=Matador%20Red
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Old March 25th, 2016, 04:12 PM
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Cowl tag looks legit! I never seen paint codes so far to the left, especially for Lansing.

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Also appears to be one of the last of the 1970 model year production too. Build date at Fisher 06B means it might not have gotten to the final assembly line till 3rd week of June. Body 476499 = the 376499th A body produced that year.

I also have never seen a Cowl Tag with offset PNT codes like that. Someone at the Fisher Plant punch must have been getting ready for a long weekend, or just come back from one?
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Old March 25th, 2016, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RustBucketRocket View Post
Does anyone have a picture of matador red for 1970?
Matador Red was offered from 70-72 as PNT code 75. This is about the best representation I can find of the color, coming from a dealer promo guide from 1972. Hard to get a decent picture from 1970. I had one of these in 72 and I can say the color is really what it appears to be in this picture. It's gorgeous in all hues of the sun or shade.

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Old March 25th, 2016, 05:35 PM
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These are the only fisher tags i've ever seen, i never knew mine were made on a friday just before quitting time! Either that or maybe someone thought the black interior was going to be painted red during assembly!
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Old March 25th, 2016, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RustBucketRocket View Post
......... i never knew mine were made on a friday just before quitting time!
Whoa... That's not what I said. I thought it might be due to a key punch error, which usually happens when workers are waiting for the weekend, or dreading another week back at the grind.

Since your car was built at Lansing (your VIN will have the letter M in it) you won't find a build sheet. That's really the only way you'd know exactly what date it rolled down the assembly line. If you find a broadcast card, it will tell you what day the car was started being welded together at the FBW at Lansing.

BTW, Matador Red and black interior go extremely well together!

Just in case no one has provided you with the breakdown on your cowl tag, here it is:

ST70 - 1970 model year production (typically started end of July/beginning of Aug, 1969 and finishes end of June 1970)
3 - Oldsmobile Division of GM
36 - Cutlass S V8
78 - Hardtop Coupe, aka "Holiday" coupe
LAN - Lansing Fisher Body Works (Body Shell and interior production)
BDY 476499 - body number assigned by FBW Lansing. Not related to VIN
TR 940 - Black vinyl interior
PNT 75 75 - Matatdor Red lower/upper
06B - start production at FBW Lansing. 06-June, B-second week

Have you checked the engine stamping block to see if the engine is the one the car was born with? It should have the VIN derivative stamped onto it. Something like 30MXXXXXX where X = the last 6 digits of the VIN.
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I don't think its the original engine, i never looked at the number (its behind the power steering pump on the block right?) I was told by the previous owner its from a 69 but im not sure, also i know the carburetor is from a 71, so my hopes aren't high, the front clip has been changed too, the drivers fender is green under the paint, and the passenger side is blue from a vista cruiser (the emblem holes were wrong)
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Another one from Homecoming a few years back.
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Old March 26th, 2016, 04:00 AM
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I just checked my tag mine 475075 fisher number mine to was also date code 06B! I also have the broadcast card from Lansing Fisher and that has a date of 6-10-70. Which was a Wednesday, yours was 476499, so Allan's hypothetical joke could be entirely accurate?

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Awesome!, But where do you find a broadcast card? under the back seat? under the dash?
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Awesome!, But where do you find a broadcast card? under the back seat? under the dash?
Driver side, pull sill plate, lift carpet near the seat belt anchor, mine was just forward of the anchor.

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Aww, well mines long gone, i have black paint under my sills. and my seat belts are dark blue...
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Originally Posted by RustBucketRocket View Post
Awesome!, But where do you find a broadcast card? under the back seat? under the dash?
Try under a seat bottom.
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Anywhere under the carpet, underneath the rear seat, sometimes stuck in the seat springs.
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Chevrolet called code 75 Cranberry Red. Very nice color! My Dad's 70 SS 454 Monte Carlo is that color originally and looks great! He also painted a low mile 71 Impala that color and it couldn't look better IMO!
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Originally Posted by 1970cs View Post
Cowl tag looks legit! I never seen paint codes so far to the left, especially for Lansing.

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That is strange. Here is another cowl tag picture I found but can't vouch for the validity of it.

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That is strange. Here is another cowl tag picture I found but can't vouch for the validity of it.
The body number and Fisher build dates are consistent with what we think the daily/hourly production quotas were at the time. If production ran 2 shifts @ 8 hrs. each, and ramped down production to only 5 days/week at the time....5 weeks between build dates on these 2 cars, and 19,600 bodies later? Works out to around 49 cars/hour, or 1 every minute and 20 seconds. Of course this isn't scientific, just a guess because we don't know for sure what the Lansing production was scaled at for any given point in time.
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This is cool, its like decoding ancient greek.. except this is far more awesome!
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