pureplaya442

Does anybody know if the shifter coming out of the boot had "442" imprinted on the shaft. i just heard about this, whether or not it's true is beyond me

Ozzie

The 1965 442 which I have has "Hurst" just below the ball, and "442" further down (in the curve of the shifter).

mugzilla

what year are we talking about here ..?

jensenracing77

65, 66, 67. i think that is the only years. i am not sure about 68 but don't think it did.

Nilsson

68 has 442 on the shifter.

Yellowstatue

X4 on the '68 shifter...

66400

'69 also displayed H and 442.

Henry

wmachine

Holy cow, guys!
Every year (through '73) except 1964, the stick 442s had "442" on the shifter handle.

wmachine

Cool, Ozzie. You must have a 3-speed. What the date on your build? March '65 or later?

pureplaya442

I was curious for my 70 442

68Tom

Hey Kurt, I'm definitely not questioning your knowledge, but what is this shifter all about? (I also saw an "original" shifter like this on eBay as well.)

Just has the "H"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...Q5fAccessories

Here's the original
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...Q5fAccessories

jensenracing77

i have never seen a 70-72 with 442 on the lever.

68Tom

So, if our tally is correct it looks like this:

1965: "442" and "Hurst" on the arm
1966: ?
1967-69: "442" and "H" on the arm (with the H lower on the arm than the 442)
1970-72: just an "H" on the arm

Is this correct?

Apparently here's a '67 Hurst shifter.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-...Q5fAccessories

wmachine

Don't hesitate to call me out, because if I'm wrong it won't be the first or last time I've been wrong!
I was under the impression that the shifters with only the "H" were non-442 applications in '70-'73 as it was in previous years, but I see that just didn't register with me that they dropped the 442 off the handle in 1970.

My442

My 70 442 has the correct #7169 handle, and it says "H".

wmachine

Now that I've extracted my foot from my mouth (leaving more room), in 1965, the only Hurst Shifters were the 3-speeds (with the HD F*rd toploader) option M14, starting in March '65. Those '65 442 3-speed shifters were the only manual shifters that had the whole word "HURST" on the handle.

In '65, the 4-speeds were still Muncie shifters and had only the "442" on handle.

In '66-'69, all 442s (all 3 and 4 speeds) had "442" and the "H" at the bottom, and all non-442s (all 3 and 4 speeds) had just the "H" at the bottom.
Additionally, '66s were square at the top and not tapered.

68Tom

Cool. Good info to know. Thanks Kurt.

Ozzie

Hi Kurt,
You're absolutely correct. It's the M14 H.D. 3 speed just a few months later from Lansing.

wmachine

So you also have a column 2 "B" on your firewall tag?
Pics, please! Love to see one installed on the car!!

joe_padavano

This is an aftermarket Hurst Competition Plus for a 70-72 with console, as demonstrated by the bolt-on handle. All factory shifters had the snap-in handle.

dan1s

Here is a picture of my 68' 442 shifter.

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69droptop

My 69 442 has a Hurst shifter, but it has the straight handle instead of the curve. It has Hurst on the shifter, but obviously not the 442 and the H. Would it be possible to find the correct shifter handle and bolt it into my shifter?

I'm pretty sure the transmission is original, so somewhere along the way, the shifter got switched out. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!

yogi442

My 66 has the stock shifter and has "Hurst" and "442" on it.

wmachine

We need to talk! PM sent.

wmachine

Okay, Yogi and I did some more checking and found that his '66 doesn't have the word "HURST" on the handle.
The word "HURST" on the handle should be '65 3-speed only for Olds.

damascus

bringing back a 6 month old post, i know... would some of you factory 4-speed guys mind posting a few photos of your 4-speed console? i have a TH400 in my '71 and am saving my pennies for a Tremec 5-speed. i'm curious if i can get the Tremec shifter to work with my current console or if i'll have to change some things... how similar is the automatic center console to the 4-speed center console?

OldsDual-Gate.jpg

no worries, purists... it's not an all-original #'s matching car!
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joe_padavano

For 1970-72 they are the same. The manual trans consoles use an adapter that bolts on top and mounts the shifter boot. The console has score lines on the underside where it needs to be cut out to turn the AT console into an MT console. The MT adapters are available as repros.

damascus

thanks! found it at thepartsplaceinc.
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vette442

Here's what the 4 speed console looks like together. You'll need to cut or replace your woodgrain insert.

DSC04954.jpg

By the way, my car had a Richmond manual trans in it weeks before I bought it in 2002 and it worked with the stock console (not so much with the factory floor hump setup though... ) It's back to an M20 now though.
Terry

My442

Wrong.

70-72 have an "H" only.

joe_padavano

Actually, you need to replace it. The AT woodgrain is too short since the AT shifter is further back on the console. Repros are available.

TK-65

Eh, that was covered about half way thru the thread.

Where did Ozzie go? I want pics of the 3 speed 65!!!!

todd66442

Sound like a rare bar man. Hi RamZ!!!

damascus

more on Tremec 5-speed conversions: i understand that Popular Hot Rodding is doing a magazine piece on a 1965 Olds Cutlass... the PHR Project Car is getting a Tremec manual transmission next. look for the feature sometime this summer.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tec...***/index.html

bummerino

I went to the garage and pulled out my shifter from my pile of parts....mine has the 442 With the "H"....

bummerino

I was a mechanic, I would have starved as a photographer!!!

Elephant_Engine_Ernie

This is an absolutely great thread! Good info and pics!