high volume oil pump

Joel n · 01-09-2007, 01:33 PM

I can't seem to find a company that makes a high volume oil pump. all kind of chevy pumps, and there even cheap. like $50 for a good moroso pump. but it looks like no one makes one for the olds market. its a 350 rocket out of a 74 cutlass.

texasred · 01-09-2007, 02:32 PM

What are your plans for the car? Straight drag racing above 7000 rpm? Ch#vy needs high volume oil pumps for the same reason they need 4 bolt mains. They are...nope...not gonna go there. Let's just say that (IMHO) Olds are a much better engineered engine.

Honestly, I don't know of anybody that makes a high volume oil pump for an SBO, or why you would need one (which is probably why they don't make them).

JMHO.

C.J.

2blu442 · 01-09-2007, 05:39 PM

Also, you need to be cautious with that. I know a guy who put one on his boat with a 455, it sucked the oil pan dry and he lost his crank. Even with restrictors and a huge 12 quart pan.

redoldsman · 01-09-2007, 09:02 PM

Melling makes them and I have one that I am not going to use. The screen bolts on the pump which is different than a regular pump. I have rebuilt a good many SBC's in my life but never a small block Olds. I started doing research (got me to this website) about the Olds engine. One of the stories I got from somebody I trust is to not use the high volume pump in an Olds. It was the same story about sucking the pan dry. I have read that in one other place also. So now I have a new regular pump for my 350. I will have to get a Toronado pickup since I am going to use a Toronado oil pan. The small block Olds is different and one of the best things you can do is to listen to people that have built them. Of course you may get a few differing opinions.

My engine will be for street use only and it might have never mattered but I am glad I found it out.

Glenn Hargrove
aka redoldsman

Joel n · 01-12-2007, 02:53 PM

i was told that olds motors have low oil presure. that was the reason i wanted to get a high valume pump. But by the way you guys are talking it might not need one. When i drive the car i open it up, a lot. its my weekend toy. it looks like a delta but its got some real grunt for a 4000LD car. lol. anyway, i am putting in a new cam (big one), aluminum intake, and a new carb. and i wanted a little safty from the oil pump. just to keep me from killing the motor.

texasred · 01-12-2007, 03:34 PM

The biggest problem with Oldsmobile engines as far as oiling goes is delayed drainback. There is a mod that "real" Olds engine builders perform to open up the drainvbacks and allow it to get back down to the crank where it belongs.

The problem with Ch#vy and F*rd engine builders is they see the bearing clearances and "tighten them up" (BAD news!) and throw on a high volume oil pump which sends the oil topside at a greater rate but, without adequate drainback, actually causes the bearings to run dryer for lack of oil in the pan!

I don't know where you are at (Folks, PLEASE put your location in your profile...nobody is going to stalk you!) but I have a lot of connections and could perhaps put you in touch with someone in your area.

C.J.

01-09-2007, 01:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
Joel n Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 23	high volume oil pump I can't seem to find a company that makes a high volume oil pump. all kind of chevy pumps, and there even cheap. like $50 for a good moroso pump. but it looks like no one makes one for the olds market. its a 350 rocket out of a 74 cutlass.

01-09-2007, 02:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
texasred Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 805	What are your plans for the car? Straight drag racing above 7000 rpm? Ch#vy needs high volume oil pumps for the same reason they need 4 bolt mains. They are...nope...not gonna go there. Let's just say that (IMHO) Olds are a much better engineered engine. Honestly, I don't know of anybody that makes a high volume oil pump for an SBO, or why you would need one (which is probably why they don't make them). JMHO. C.J. __________________ Home of the 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible Super Karate Monkey Death Car.

01-09-2007, 05:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
2blu442 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 775	Also, you need to be cautious with that. I know a guy who put one on his boat with a 455, it sucked the oil pan dry and he lost his crank. Even with restrictors and a huge 12 quart pan. __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

01-12-2007, 03:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
texasred Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 805	The biggest problem with Oldsmobile engines as far as oiling goes is delayed drainback. There is a mod that "real" Olds engine builders perform to open up the drainvbacks and allow it to get back down to the crank where it belongs. The problem with Ch#vy and Frd engine builders is they see the bearing clearances and "tighten them up" (BAD news!) and throw on a high volume oil pump which sends the oil topside at a greater rate but, without adequate drainback, actually causes the bearings to run dryer for lack of oil in the pan! I don't know where you are at (Folks, PLEASE* put your location in your profile...nobody is going to stalk you!) but I have a lot of connections and could perhaps put you in touch with someone in your area. C.J. __________________ Home of the 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible Super Karate Monkey Death Car.

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01-09-2007, 09:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
redoldsman Proud Viet Nam Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rowlett, TX Posts: 81	Melling makes them and I have one that I am not going to use. The screen bolts on the pump which is different than a regular pump. I have rebuilt a good many SBC's in my life but never a small block Olds. I started doing research (got me to this website) about the Olds engine. One of the stories I got from somebody I trust is to not use the high volume pump in an Olds. It was the same story about sucking the pan dry. I have read that in one other place also. So now I have a new regular pump for my 350. I will have to get a Toronado pickup since I am going to use a Toronado oil pan. The small block Olds is different and one of the best things you can do is to listen to people that have built them. Of course you may get a few differing opinions. My engine will be for street use only and it might have never mattered but I am glad I found it out. Glenn Hargrove aka redoldsman

01-12-2007, 02:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Joel n Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 23	i was told that olds motors have low oil presure. that was the reason i wanted to get a high valume pump. But by the way you guys are talking it might not need one. When i drive the car i open it up, a lot. its my weekend toy. it looks like a delta but its got some real grunt for a 4000LD car. lol. anyway, i am putting in a new cam (big one), aluminum intake, and a new carb. and i wanted a little safty from the oil pump. just to keep me from killing the motor.