tmaleck

Watch the episode of Car Wars where Rodriegez 'restored' the Skylark convertible. I live about a mile from him and what really happened to the car is not what was on TV. They never really showed them doing anything with the trunk floor, and it was toast when they got it. Also, no primer over the original paint, I don't think they even fine grit sanded it first. The factory A/C was not repaired, the list goes on. Also, it sat for sale in front of his house/shop for over a month before someone really bought it, that 'sale' on the show was bogus.

I still watch these shows as they are better than real housewives, bounty dog or the other crap out there, but the only guy that does it right in my opinion is Chip Foose. His styling may not be for everyone, but at least the frame comes out and gets blasted and powdercoated. No one else does that.

Tim

at3reg98

Wow interesting. The lengths they go to for these reality shows is ridiculous. I'm still thankful Monster Garage was cancelled.

Jimi2much

Gas Monkee , marginally entertains me. I have seen 80 % of their "show's"
Unfortunately , 50% of their stuff is scripted . 25 % is nonsense.
Last January , I sold a 1968 Mercury Cougar @ Barrett - Jackson , that was built on a show in 2008 ? called Wrecks to Riches . It was built by Barry's speed Shop out of Corona California . Barry can build some extremely highquality AND performance cars. If you visit his shop or web site , you will see he has built the 2010 Good Guys Muscle Car of the year , 2004 and 2007 Street Rod of the year , and 2000 Americas Most Beautiful Roadster.
Pretty reliable build quality .
My car was initially sold @ Russo - Steele Monterey in 2008 , and resold at their next year auction in Scottsdale . I thought this car was my dream car.
Besides having less than 1000 miles on it in 4 years , it had a new Roush
road race engine , plus all the stuff I wanted . Full blasted unibody , Global West race suspension , coil over race shocks , Currie 9" r.e. , 14" Baer 4 wheel disc brakes , ETC. What I was not prepared for was the shocking drive ability of the car. It was a race car on the street. The Tremec 6 spd.
2800 lb. , and 450 HP available made me want to do nothing more than drive way more aggressive than I should. I'm glad it found a new home.
After totaling all my costs , I made a slight profit on the car.
I only bring this up , because Gas Monkey seems to be predicated on the process of finding , concept building , finding buyers , and going to auctions. IF the producers would concentrate on theory , concept , and building , I could really like this type of show. Networks must take us for not being able to like something as simple as that.
In 4 hours MSNBCSports will show 2 hours of the Auction America coming from Auburn IN . I saw 2 quality Oldsmobiles go across the block
last night. # 1, was a reasonable looking fresh Rally 350 Cutlass , it did NOT sell @ 27,000 . # 2. was a SPOT ON 14,000 mile 64 Olds Starfire Coupe.... that sold for 14,500 or thereabouts .
I have little experience with reserve auctions. The TV coverage from MSNBCsports was of low quality . Problems with cameras clarity , and inexperienced commentators. Where I sit with this , is that every TV car build show , advances the cause of what we love . I take from them exactly what they have to offer . A snapshot . Much of it is not real .
There are some really deeper concerns I do have after talking to my local
Rod Shop guys that displayed a car @ Hot August Nights in Reno last month. They displayed a 185,000 invested into all steel 1937 Ford at one of the Casino's inside display. It will be in 2 magazines soon .
My guys had the occasion to talk with Troy Trepanier , he is on of my absolute favorites. His build on the B-J trophy winning custom Torino Talledega for George Poteet is being reported to me @ 1.5 million.
That may , or may not , be true. But what it does is get the top shops
BELIEVING that their work is worth this much.
Anyway , that is my .02 worth. After displaying and enjoying my street rods and hot rod's through the 80's and 90's , when I now go to shows , I only look for the compliments out there. I do draw a line at the bigger auctions where something is being presented as something it is not.
That will be part of what I will be planning to do next January .

nj_cutlass72

I didn't get the Ferrari repair, they outsourced the work but they at least get somewhat technical vs Danny the count customs.. He pretty much chases people down on the roads n harasses them..

Frank3

Hey now , the Count is Kool .
It's all mind rotting TV ! But its fun if not taken too seriously .

oldsbucket

Yeah thats the key don't take it to seriously and it is entertaining. I'm still laughing over the dealer that started his bass boat with no cooling water and then launched it expecting a day of fishing after"fixing it up" by gluing down the carpet. Now that's comedy right there

ddd777

These folks did a series upgrading a 1969 Cutlass RestoMod:

http://www.horsepowertv.com/newplaye...odes/MC2013-02

s i 442

Im glad they don't too many musclecars because they send everything out the door half assed done.

oldsonharmont

If you're a basic cable customer, there's not much else on since the Speed Channel went dark. These shows have a little entertainment value, but I would never buy a car built for TV. Perhaps a more accurate title for the show would be "Turn and Burn'.

Kevin45

For what the show is, it's not too bad of show. If you read up on Wikipedia about Richard Rawlings, some may get a little different opinion of him. Richard and Dennis Collins were a team in the Cannonball Run and IIRC still holds the title for being the quickest in that. He's also been a cop, and a fireman. Being I'm from Ohio, I just sort of look at them as a couple of "good 'ole boys" from Texas, that are doing what they like to do and making money at it.

A few weeks ago I was watching a rerun from last years Biker Build Off that had Jesse James, Paul Sr. and Paul Jr., and Richard Rawlings and his sidekick Aaron. Jesse James started running his mouth about how he pretty much does not like R.R. and doesn't know **** when it comes to two wheels. Jesse was also poking fun at the Teutals as hack builders that they don't know how to fabricate and all they know is how to shop in a catalog, order parts, and put them together. Richard didn't get smartass at all, but told Jesse that he's see him on stage when the votings over.To make a long story short, Paul Jr. won, and Richard and Aaron came in second, and good 'ole Jesse James had his *** handed to him by coming in last place.

Myself, I like the show, all for the fact that there is not a bleep at every other word, and for the most part, it's formatted to the point to where most kids can watch it. It may not be a PG show, but maybe a light R rated show.

And I like it because they aren't throwing chairs, busting out windows, tipping over tool boxes, and all of the other things that most of the automotive show do.

redoldsman

You make some good points Kevin. I never could stand that jerk that worked for Boyd Coddington. What a jackwagon. I think Overhaulin is my favorite.

Olds442redberet

My opinion of the show has evolved as the show itself has. If you lookat some of the details you will notice the showmanship side, but as I look atthe even more minuet details, I see an excellent business plan supported by an evenbetter crew of people who show themselves to be a true team. And Richard ismost likely the one responsible for putting that team together. Even the Tiger Lady is shown as being a very important part of the team. Albeit in a funny, disrespecting way
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firefrost gold

Tom is funny as hell

oldstata

I don't mind watching and my son loves it but I will restate I think that only half of what is done is correct in most of these shows and they need to express it

I guess yes get it done for cheap and flip


I grew up with power block and it was what got me out and to try to restore a car in the first place

I could see some one chopping a car and it being unsafe or hauled off as scrap

oldsonharmont

Since Speed Channel went off the air, I'll watch any show that has to do with cars. This one kinda reminds me of those shows where they flip houses, only these guys use cars. It's not my idea of quality television. Personally, I prefer episodes of 'Roadkill' on You Tube.

citcapp

[QUOTE=oldsonharmont;611904]Since Speed Channel went off the air, I'll watch any show that has to do with cars.


X2 on this. The speed channel was a great loss. velocity is all we have left unless all you want to do is watch cars go round and round

z11375ss

*** Monkey, funny stuff. Entertainment. That is what it is, entertainment.

gearheads78

Dennis is the real money and business man behind the whole Gas Monkey deal. He has a thriving Jeep business near me that's been there since I can remember.

Olds442redberet

I love "Roadkill". And there are few other YouTube shows out there showing quality cars.

oldsonharmont

To be more accurate, they should change the name of the show to '2 Dorks Flipping Old Cars'. Personally I prefer the 'Roadkill' series on You Tube.

Olds442redberet

Dennis, Yeah, that makes sense. He seems to show up on all the real important buys.

DarrylJ

The American car prospector show is by far the worst. The guy is a complete tool! He always seems to be able to change someones mind about selling a car they've had for 30 years too! And always makes 3 grand on each car. I tried to watch it but after 3 shows I can't take it no more. Horrible stuff.

wgonzo64

i have to agree most of the so called reality shows are scripted some I watch like most said if there is nothing else on, I few shows I do/did like was overhauling although I think they go to far with the upgrades but cool to watch some of the actually work being done and the fact they do show some problems that accure. Muscle car I do like in some of the shows they try to explain how certain things are done and what tools can be used .for instance they worked on a 69 cutlass and did some customizing for the wheel well and also a fender rot repair and explained u could do the work with hand tools and a vice.
all girls garage party its for sex appeal but I doubt they those girl do much work on the cars counts customs much like the prospector I believe is the fakest of them all they happen to find all of these cars talk the owned not only to sell the cars but to give them a much lower price and pay cash I mean come on .
do not even get me started on the pawn shows when ppl bring in cars and the really low ball them its insulting.
but one show I really liked was a show back in the early 90's I think it was on a country station called htn I think called shadetree mechanic they really explained how things worked and how to do the job right sam and sam were really good but after a few years (prob the producers) they changed the show to include more performance . later they changed the show to two guys garage and then they got some younger guys in when they went to speed and eventually both sams had left, I saw that both sam and sam had a new show on velosity called moterhead garage and reminds me of the old shadtree show but only one episiode aired so far,
but the only bad think about all these shows is that they have large crews behind the scenes that do most of the work and have every tool imaiginable and lifts that some of us that can never have (I DO NOT EVEN HAVE A GARAGE EVERY THING I DO IS OUT IN THE OPEN )
BUT IF THESE SHOWS WERE NOT SCRIPTED it would not be entertaing to the ppl who do not know and will not be on tv. just my take sorry

Professur

Some of these shows are just asinine, but I simply cannot watch Overhauling. The whole idea of your own family and friends farking with you, telling you your car was stolen, and then the continued messing with the guy .... I don't care how nice the car is in the end .. you don't treat people that way ... ever. Frankly, I'm amazed that nobody's taken a knife in the throat by now.

wgonzo64

the biggest negative I have about overhauling is that the so called marks have no idea . I mean after 8 years u would think the marks would not be "taken or pranked"
again ppl would not watch and it would not sell

oldsonharmont

Taken as a whole, car shows either work, or don't based on their host(s) and sponsor content. At the low end of the spectrum are the guys who just shill for the sponsors like '2 Guys Garage' or 'Gearz'. Just above that are 'Gas Monkey' and 'Desert Car Kings' who both try to flip cars on the cheap. Then there's shows like 'Overhaulin' or 'American Hot Rod' that don't rely heavily on sponsorships, but rather customer pranks or some some shop drama. Continuing up the scale are the 'Power Block' and 'My Classic Car' shows that while still sponsor driven, have some redeeming automotive value. At the top of the heap would be web-based shows like 'Jay's Leno's Garage' or 'Roadkill' that focus on the cars and what makes them interesting. Another best bet is 'Motorweek' on PBS which tries to cover everything automotive in a straightforward manner. My least favorite is 'Car Crazy' whose host reminds me of an appliance salesman at Sears. Agree or disagree?

Killian_Mörder

Yeah, I saw that and wondered that Texas hasn't an Uninsured Motorist Fund like Michigan had or even still does. Maybe, they had one, until demographic changes ended up bankrupting itYeah, Sue is funny. I guess, if a local guy were to get that cocky, it'd be fightin' time.
What bugs me about the show is the deadlines set. They took that '50 Olds and instead of keeping the original mill or, at least, go for a 394, they decide on dropping in a smallblock crate Chevy, allegedly because they didn't have time to do it right.
A couple of their mechanics think they're funny and look so asenine, because the camera's pointed on them. That One's bathroom joke was definitely in poor tasteYeah, "Jesse James" basically is a butcher, despite knowing what he's doing. I'll never forget (forgiving I must ) that poor Anglia they gutted out which was one of the last near-museum pieces left. He even sent it to the crusher, despite the fact that it wasn't his crew's fault that a defective magneto was delivered. ***** boss that he is, he should have made an exception for slipshod parts. No wonder, Rawlings treats the guy like a Dimestore Cowboy

nj_cutlass72

smokey and the bandit episode was entertaining, they seriously need to find another machine shop although they keep calling factory restoration projects "easy" the shelby and trans am motors were re-built twice to get it right!

Olds442redberet

A lot of people are wiping out cam lobes these days. This is due to todays oil and the fact that everyone forgets about the zinc additive needed for breaking in flat tappet cams. I had it happen to me. I had to show the engine installer how to break in a flat tappet motor. Actually, on the second installation, I had the machine shop send someone over to break in the motor. The engine installer was told to install the motor and then to wait for the professionals.

gearheads78

I was thinking the same thing last night. Never heard of the shop but I went to their site and looks like they cater more to circle track crowd so that makes since. I know the drag race shops around here. I'm guessing they slung the oil pan dry over revving the 403 doing donuts so it may not be the machine shops fault.

That bird was bought for stupid money. I am friends with a guy that is good friends with the owner of the bird' Since it was R Rollins that called on it they added 10K to what that really wanted just to see what would happen and he bought it. That car was a couple miles from my house and I could have bought it for low teens a few months ago.

nsnarsk65cutlass

X2 i was thinking the same thing.

WTony

And the oils are going to continue to get worse for our old cars so its very important to run the zink in every oil change.
One thing that you can do is when you build that new motor just spend the extra money for a hydraulic roller cam and lifters. Im upset with myself because I didnt think of it before I finished my last motor build.

Professur

I want to agree with this, but I can't. I know Stacey David was a far better host doing Trucks than Gearz. The directors and management behind the show made all the difference there. His restoration work on the Bronco was the real motivating factor in me learning to weld and redoing the cab of my pickup. Same host on Gearz .. the only thing he's motivated me to do is turn off the tv.

archeryshooter

ditto why would anyone buy one of their cars after seeing how they scab them together on the show?

Professur

I can't answer that .. but you still see lots of people wearing OCC clothing and they've been old news for a while.

47 Convertible

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Based on what I see the law would likely come into play only if a dealer or a neighbor complained.

Here is what the WA. Dept. of Licensing says on their Internet site:

If you don’t have a dealer license, it’s illegal to:

• Sell more than 4 vehicles registered to you in any 12 months.
• Buy and sell vehicles for the purpose of making a profit.
• Sell any number of vehicles that aren’t registered to you.

In other words if you're gonna get a car and fix it up and hope to make a modest profit on it, you have to register it to yourself and you can't do it more than four times a year. I don't know how they would enforce that second provision unless the State can read your mind

gearheads78

Its worse must people think. With just stock spring pressures I see 1-2 cam failures a month come on or dealership. The 3 cammed and spings Corvettes I have seen with misfires was also flat cams.

Its only going to get worse. All the 2014s require 0w20 and get free oil changes for the first two years. The thing is I can't do free oil change until the light is on and that usually 7000-8000 miles. There is be a nice windfall of engine work coming my way in a few years

oldsonharmont

Aside from his asinine laugh, Stacy David does appear to know his way around a garage. There's also no doubt his 'Trucks' show was produced better than 'Gearz'. The viewer benefit is lost however, when they shamelessly pimp the sponsors products. There's another name for this sort of television, it's called a paid program or an infomercial.

z11375ss

His style is like nails on a chalkboard for me. Can't take the shameless plugs either. Speaking of plugs, what the hell is that on his head? It looks like a cross between roadkill and indoor/outdoor carpeting. What IS it?

bspaulding

They just did a 50 olds but got lazy and put in a chepie Ahh chev crate motor