69 442 W30 Ram Air air cleaner?????
February 11th, 2013, 03:44 AM
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The Parts Place has the 68-69 w30 w31 air cleaner.
http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/ocat...=air%20cleaner
http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/ocat...=air%20cleaner
February 11th, 2013, 07:01 AM
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The Parts Place has the 68-69 w30 w31 air cleaner.
http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/ocat...=air%20cleaner
http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/ocat...=air%20cleaner
February 11th, 2013, 10:26 AM
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A while back a gentleman was grafting together 68-69 assemblies using two stock air cleaners. He did them accurately. He got so good at it rumor had it that OPG approached him and commissioned him to build them for them on an as-needed bases. This is strictly word of mouth through the grape vine but from reputable sources. Presently I don't know if this is still the case or they are actually new stampings. I do know two people that purchased them ~10 years ago so they got the hand built versions. If you put the "new" next to an original I couldn't tell the difference right down to the proper taper on the intake tubes. As Joe mentioned there are subtle differences between the two years same goes for the bumper ducts, brackets etc.... Why not call their tech dept and ask a few questions. They should have testimonial feed back as well. The parts place most likely uses the same source? I think the whole W30,1,2 "kit" was shy of 1K. An original cleaner housing alone will run ~3K. Im pretty sure the items found on evil bay are one of those two vendors selling catalog items on ebay. The "repops" are supposed to be high quality.
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February 11th, 2013, 10:46 AM
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February 11th, 2013, 03:06 PM
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A while back a gentleman was grafting together 68-69 assemblies using two air stock cleaners. He did them accurately. He got so good at it rumor had it that OPG approached him and commissioned him to build them for them on an as-needed bases. This is strictly word of mouth through the grape vine but from reputable sources. Presently I don't know if this is still the case or they are actually new stampings. I do know two people that purchased them ~10 years ago so they got the hand built versions. If you put the "new" next to an original I couldn't tell the difference right down to the proper taper on the intake tubes. As Joe mentioned there are subtle differences between the two years same goes for the bumper ducts, brackets etc.... Why not call their tech dept and ask a few questions. They should have testimonial feed back as well. The parts place most likely uses the same source? I think the whole W30,1,2 "kit" was shy of 1K. An original cleaner housing alone will run ~3K. Im pretty sure the items found on evil bay are one of those two vendors selling catalog items on ebay. The "repops" are supposed to be high quality.
Thanks for all the replys
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February 11th, 2013, 03:53 PM
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I haven't seen that style snorkel on any other air cleaners other than 68/69 Olds OAI.
We have '68 style OAI installed in the red '70. I paid $400 for a nice used air cleaner but I think it is a repop. Smaller spotwelds on snorkel to housing joint, vac pots embossed "Auto ThermAC", underside of chrome lid kinda cheesy finish, paint is solvent sensitive. I also didn't haggle over the price as I drove 50 miles to meet the guy & wasn't sure if there was variance in details. It was nice enough to not sweat it & quite suitable for the application, & I was already there.
I had a legit '68 base for a potential buy, it was a little rusty under a cheesy greenish gold spray can job & had one bent but workable snorkel, vac pots were not embossed, larger/blunter spotwelds. Owner wanted $800 for it. Since we were just doing what IMO was just a cool retrofit in a wrong year car I wasn't worried about authenticity or year.
I realize thread regards a '69 but I thought this might shed a very small amount of light on the subject & some possible things to look for as they are quite similar.
We have '68 style OAI installed in the red '70. I paid $400 for a nice used air cleaner but I think it is a repop. Smaller spotwelds on snorkel to housing joint, vac pots embossed "Auto ThermAC", underside of chrome lid kinda cheesy finish, paint is solvent sensitive. I also didn't haggle over the price as I drove 50 miles to meet the guy & wasn't sure if there was variance in details. It was nice enough to not sweat it & quite suitable for the application, & I was already there.
I had a legit '68 base for a potential buy, it was a little rusty under a cheesy greenish gold spray can job & had one bent but workable snorkel, vac pots were not embossed, larger/blunter spotwelds. Owner wanted $800 for it. Since we were just doing what IMO was just a cool retrofit in a wrong year car I wasn't worried about authenticity or year.
I realize thread regards a '69 but I thought this might shed a very small amount of light on the subject & some possible things to look for as they are quite similar.
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February 11th, 2013, 05:54 PM
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Good news:
"6 cylinder 68 air cleaners used the same snorkel as the OAI"
Bad news:
Those are rarer than production OAI snouts
A few yrs ago I made one using very similar snouts found on mid-70's Pontiacs in the yards. I got tired of it and put it out at the 100th? anniversary swap meet and it sold immediately at $75. I have a box, somewhere, of parts collected to do this to a few more, but there was little interest, and the repops became available, and then I got a real job.
"6 cylinder 68 air cleaners used the same snorkel as the OAI"
Bad news:
Those are rarer than production OAI snouts
A few yrs ago I made one using very similar snouts found on mid-70's Pontiacs in the yards. I got tired of it and put it out at the 100th? anniversary swap meet and it sold immediately at $75. I have a box, somewhere, of parts collected to do this to a few more, but there was little interest, and the repops became available, and then I got a real job.
February 11th, 2013, 06:09 PM
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Good news:
"6 cylinder 68 air cleaners used the same snorkel as the OAI"
Bad news:
Those are rarer than production OAI snouts
A few yrs ago I made one using very similar snouts found on mid-70's Pontiacs in the yards. I got tired of it and put it out at the 100th? anniversary swap meet and it sold immediately at $75. I have a box, somewhere, of parts collected to do this to a few more, but there was little interest, and the repops became available, and then I got a real job.
"6 cylinder 68 air cleaners used the same snorkel as the OAI"
Bad news:
Those are rarer than production OAI snouts
A few yrs ago I made one using very similar snouts found on mid-70's Pontiacs in the yards. I got tired of it and put it out at the 100th? anniversary swap meet and it sold immediately at $75. I have a box, somewhere, of parts collected to do this to a few more, but there was little interest, and the repops became available, and then I got a real job.
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February 11th, 2013, 06:37 PM
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Good eye I seen the outer beed but did not see the in board bead.I have used a bead roller in the past but do not know if they make one that can roll a bead inside a snorkel, the vacuum pot port is also facing in the wrong direction.
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February 11th, 2013, 09:57 PM
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Ya I dont remember the specific details of how he grafted the assemblies together and what parts he pirated but when laid side by side to an original I could not see the difference. He even used the correct vacuum motors etc...His welds were superb and I weld so Im critical of that detail.
I just hope the repops aren't offshore!"
I just hope the repops aren't offshore!"
February 11th, 2013, 11:20 PM
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I hope the repops are not off shore but so much stuff is made there now.
I'm big on buying Canadian and USA made products so much so I buy used before I buy off shore.
February 12th, 2013, 06:45 AM
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quote<<<I'm big on buying Canadian and USA made products so much so I buy used before I buy off shore>>>end quote.
Hats off to you brother Bernhard!!! I couldn't agree more!!! Enough filling china’s coffers while we shrivel away. Go into any of the big box stores and I mean any of them and read the labels! CHINA! I now go out of my way to NOT purchase chinese goods...period. Give it to the mom/pop places.
We need to ferret out Canadian & USA made items. They exist just have to look close...
Ex: Every vendor I spoke with about replacement gas tanks only offered offshore, sorry NOT doing it for many reasons. Upon further research I went towards my Corvette vendors. They use Spectra which is Canadian through Quanta dealers. Quanta and National Parts Depot exclusively carry Spectra. By the time I got it to my front door it was twice the cost of china. Shipping was 120. I should have looked into Greyhound….But I don’t care. Canada is fine in my book. Hands down they have the best beer and ballets. If we show the retailers we are sick of offshore and hit them where it hurts the most, their wallets, then we can speak volumes silently.
Hats off to you brother Bernhard!!! I couldn't agree more!!! Enough filling china’s coffers while we shrivel away. Go into any of the big box stores and I mean any of them and read the labels! CHINA! I now go out of my way to NOT purchase chinese goods...period. Give it to the mom/pop places.
We need to ferret out Canadian & USA made items. They exist just have to look close...
Ex: Every vendor I spoke with about replacement gas tanks only offered offshore, sorry NOT doing it for many reasons. Upon further research I went towards my Corvette vendors. They use Spectra which is Canadian through Quanta dealers. Quanta and National Parts Depot exclusively carry Spectra. By the time I got it to my front door it was twice the cost of china. Shipping was 120. I should have looked into Greyhound….But I don’t care. Canada is fine in my book. Hands down they have the best beer and ballets. If we show the retailers we are sick of offshore and hit them where it hurts the most, their wallets, then we can speak volumes silently.
February 12th, 2013, 11:27 AM
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quote<<<I'm big on buying Canadian and USA made products so much so I buy used before I buy off shore>>>end quote.
Hats off to you brother Bernhard!!! I couldn't agree more!!! Enough filling china’s coffers while we shrivel away. Go into any of the big box stores and I mean any of them and read the labels! CHINA! I now go out of my way to NOT purchase chinese goods...period. Give it to the mom/pop places.
We need to ferret out Canadian & USA made items. They exist just have to look close...
Ex: Every vendor I spoke with about replacement gas tanks only offered offshore, sorry NOT doing it for many reasons. Upon further research I went towards my Corvette vendors. They use Spectra which is Canadian through Quanta dealers. Quanta and National Parts Depot exclusively carry Spectra. By the time I got it to my front door it was twice the cost of china. Shipping was 120. I should have looked into Greyhound….But I don’t care. Canada is fine in my book. Hands down they have the best beer and ballets. If we show the retailers we are sick of offshore and hit them where it hurts the most, their wallets, then we can speak volumes silently.
Hats off to you brother Bernhard!!! I couldn't agree more!!! Enough filling china’s coffers while we shrivel away. Go into any of the big box stores and I mean any of them and read the labels! CHINA! I now go out of my way to NOT purchase chinese goods...period. Give it to the mom/pop places.
We need to ferret out Canadian & USA made items. They exist just have to look close...
Ex: Every vendor I spoke with about replacement gas tanks only offered offshore, sorry NOT doing it for many reasons. Upon further research I went towards my Corvette vendors. They use Spectra which is Canadian through Quanta dealers. Quanta and National Parts Depot exclusively carry Spectra. By the time I got it to my front door it was twice the cost of china. Shipping was 120. I should have looked into Greyhound….But I don’t care. Canada is fine in my book. Hands down they have the best beer and ballets. If we show the retailers we are sick of offshore and hit them where it hurts the most, their wallets, then we can speak volumes silently.
February 24th, 2013, 11:20 PM
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Here's a few pics of the '69 air cleaner on my '68 H/O. 
I'd gladly trade for a '68 version. The snorkels are 5-1/8" wide - so the 6 cylinder version is close.
If this is true - it's FOR SALE outright, shipping included.
I'd gladly trade for a '68 version. The snorkels are 5-1/8" wide - so the 6 cylinder version is close.If this is true - it's FOR SALE outright, shipping included.
March 1st, 2014, 11:54 PM
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March 2nd, 2014, 12:47 AM
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I might have been a little too quick to judge on that, I was looking on my iPhone and couldn't get the pictures big enough. What I couldn't see was the wider (bulged out) part of the snorkle where the vacuum port is. It may be there I just can't tell. So sorry if I'm wrong.
March 2nd, 2014, 09:15 AM
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TPP air cleaners are most likely overseas. A high percentage of reproduction items they've brought to market over the years are Taiwan and other overseas locals.
Original OAI air cleaners used to bring $3K, but they have come down from there.
March 2nd, 2014, 09:53 AM
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Bernhard they are out there, try putting a wanted ad in 442.com. In the past I have had luck there far as rare stuff
Also you can get them from 400 to 1000 in today's market pending condition
Far as repros not bad, you can get used repros for on or around 300.
I have bought used repros from this ebay seller in the past.
User name is motorco18013 , from time to time he will sell repros that I have gotten in past for 300 or under.
He just sold two yesterday a 68 and 69 both went for that.
I always keep an eye out , I missed out on the 69 yesterday out bided at last second oh well
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March 2nd, 2014, 04:22 PM
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Yeah I bought the 68. I was thinking I don't need the original 68 air cleaner that I have because my car isn't a w-30, ramrod or anything special. So I bought a repro.
I'll probably end up selling the original but it's gonna have to be pried from my hands
I'll probably end up selling the original but it's gonna have to be pried from my hands
March 2nd, 2014, 05:12 PM
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well if you do let me know my original ram rod one is not the greatest Dean
March 2nd, 2014, 05:16 PM
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Bernhard they are out there, try putting a wanted ad in 442.com. In the past I have had luck there far as rare stuff
Also you can get them from 400 to 1000 in today's market pending condition
Far as repros not bad, you can get used repros for on or around 300.
I have bought used repros from this ebay seller in the past.
User name is motorco18013 , from time to time he will sell repros that I have gotten in past for 300 or under.
He just sold two yesterday a 68 and 69 both went for that.
I always keep an eye out , I missed out on the 69 yesterday out bided at last second oh well
Dean
Also you can get them from 400 to 1000 in today's market pending condition
Far as repros not bad, you can get used repros for on or around 300.
I have bought used repros from this ebay seller in the past.
User name is motorco18013 , from time to time he will sell repros that I have gotten in past for 300 or under.
He just sold two yesterday a 68 and 69 both went for that.
I always keep an eye out , I missed out on the 69 yesterday out bided at last second oh well
Dean
Thanks for the reply/ advice the ram air cleaner is on the back burner.
March 2nd, 2014, 05:18 PM
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Sorry I forgot his name long ago
March 2nd, 2014, 05:42 PM
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March 3rd, 2014, 01:22 PM
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Beware of motorco18013 Customer Service!
I see this is a rather old post, but high caution using that supplier mentioned above "motorco18013"!
One of the large collectors in our club informed me that he was asking them a simple inquiry the other day whether it was a shadow or a condition he saw in a picture of one of their products, and they responded with a barrage of degrading and unprofessional comments! He said there were direct comments from motorco8013 that they didn't want to do business with him because he was too picky and his explanations were boring or something. He told me when he responded with wonder about how they could run a business treating a customer that way, they responded asking if he wanted to compare wealth and other comments like he was insignificant to them! He shared the eBay chat exchange with us, and it was all there and blew us all away. Unbelievable! I took a look and they have a lot of positive ratings, but with that customer service, it would have to be a last resort and willing to accept anything before anyone should chance buying anything from them!!! Look elsewhere!
One of the large collectors in our club informed me that he was asking them a simple inquiry the other day whether it was a shadow or a condition he saw in a picture of one of their products, and they responded with a barrage of degrading and unprofessional comments! He said there were direct comments from motorco8013 that they didn't want to do business with him because he was too picky and his explanations were boring or something. He told me when he responded with wonder about how they could run a business treating a customer that way, they responded asking if he wanted to compare wealth and other comments like he was insignificant to them! He shared the eBay chat exchange with us, and it was all there and blew us all away. Unbelievable! I took a look and they have a lot of positive ratings, but with that customer service, it would have to be a last resort and willing to accept anything before anyone should chance buying anything from them!!! Look elsewhere!
