What seems fair?
#41
#42
IF the buyer wants to return it and makes a complaint to ebay or paypay he will probably win it and be able to return it based on it was sold as NEW...doesnt really matter what you put in the description about what you regard as nos. ebay has to compete with amazon and if the buyer is not happy he will be taken care of... its not a swap meet jmo
#43
IF the buyer wants to return it and makes a complaint to ebay or paypay he will probably win it and be able to return it based on it was sold as NEW...doesnt really matter what you put in the description about what you regard as nos. ebay has to compete with amazon and if the buyer is not happy he will be taken care of... its not a swap meet jmo
He won't win either scenario.
Ad stated clearly "NOS does NOT mean perfect. These parts are anywhere from 30 to 70 years old".
And, it can't be returned as it has now been tampered with.
#47
The hard truth of this whole thing is that with ebays new policy is that if he complains enough to them they will automatically take the money from your account if there is the slightest chance they feel he's been wronged. As was said earlier they seem to stick up for the buyer first.
#48
I still say you owe him nothing. You need to contact EBAY NOW, and tell them whats going on.
Perfect show condition is completely different than perfect "working condition". Alot of trailer queen "show cars" do not even run, they have no internal components in the motor, no oil. They just look good for the "show"
So even better for him, this antenna looks new and if hes not lying, it now works like new too. But again maybe he is lying, maybe he opened it up and F%&*#ed it up, or robbed parts out of it. Anyway I think it would be in your best interest to contact EBAY ASAP.
Perfect show condition is completely different than perfect "working condition". Alot of trailer queen "show cars" do not even run, they have no internal components in the motor, no oil. They just look good for the "show"
So even better for him, this antenna looks new and if hes not lying, it now works like new too. But again maybe he is lying, maybe he opened it up and F%&*#ed it up, or robbed parts out of it. Anyway I think it would be in your best interest to contact EBAY ASAP.
#49
Ok...now there is NO question that the guy is a jerk, and a scammer. That IS extortion in my book. I don't think the "not meeting description" applies, because he chose to keep it AND he tampered with it. It's very easy for ebay to go back and look through the messages. If that exchange was in the messages and not by straight email, they will know. Time to play hardball and report this buyer. Just the fact that he's telling YOU how much you owe HIM pisses me off. Oh yeah...put him on your blocked list of buyers. Do that RIGHT NOW, that's important.
#50
Unless you cave to his $75 ( even a partial will not appease this type, and he may even try again even if you do pay the 75 anyway ) you will hear from Ebay anyway.
I say with the advice from this thread bring it on. I have had dealings like this through Ebay before and have retained my 100% and had the venomous feedback removed, some folks are just mean.
#51
He did call me before supposedly cleaning the motor and wanted $100 back. That's when I offered a normally non returnable part refund as I had had a crappy day and really didn't want to listen to it. He didn't want to send it back due to the condition of the part being as nice as it gets but wanted compensation for it not working. The stalemate was my not bench testing it before the sale but no bidders asking me to either.
#52
There is no stalemate.
You sold him an NOS part, which was, as represented, an NOS part.
He is whining scum.
Open a case with eBay. He has opened, messed with, and, as far as you know, damaged the pristine NOS part which you sold him in good faith, and is attempting to renege on a legal contract, and fraudulently extort you.
- Eric
You sold him an NOS part, which was, as represented, an NOS part.
He is whining scum.
Open a case with eBay. He has opened, messed with, and, as far as you know, damaged the pristine NOS part which you sold him in good faith, and is attempting to renege on a legal contract, and fraudulently extort you.
- Eric
#53
Lol, I wish ebay worked like that. eBay always sides with the buyer, sellers really take all the risk. If he wants to send it back for a full refund, he can. Doesn't matter if he screwed with it or not, or whether there was a return policy or not. That's his only option though, I don't think they enforce partial refunds. He either keeps it or sends it back.
#57
I did say I've bought and sold 5 THOUSAND items on ebay, right (at 100% FB)? Sorry you don't get it. I gave good advice. I'm not "out there", I call them like I see them!
#58
On a slightly digressive note, I've just begun selling off several boxes of old Porsche junk that I'll never use, and I've got a NOS engine compartment light for sale right now that you can buy new from vendors for about $60, but it's been bid up to $109 already, with another 3 days to go.
I wrote,
I'm getting a little worried that someone is going to buy it and think the friggin' thing is solid gold or something.
- Eric
I wrote,
This is a NOS (New Old Stock) Porsche 911 / 912 Engine Compartment Lamp, manufactured by Hella.
I bought this lamp new around 1985 to install on the Porsche I had at that time, and never got around to it, and it has sat on a shelf in the garage ever since.
It has never been installed on any car.
Because it has sat, it has slight dullness to the chrome, which will probably come out with a light polishing (I can see no pitting or rust).
There does not appear to be anything wrong with it.
I bought this lamp new around 1985 to install on the Porsche I had at that time, and never got around to it, and it has sat on a shelf in the garage ever since.
It has never been installed on any car.
Because it has sat, it has slight dullness to the chrome, which will probably come out with a light polishing (I can see no pitting or rust).
There does not appear to be anything wrong with it.
- Eric
#60
Pat, if he sends it back I'll give you 50 bucks for it now that it's used and not sure if it works and I'll see if I can get it to fit one of my cars.
Just kidding with you, I doubt this issue will go any further, his wife is most likely pushing the issue.
Steve
Just kidding with you, I doubt this issue will go any further, his wife is most likely pushing the issue.
Steve
#63
You sold an NOS part
he got what was described, he is just claiming that he understands NOS to mean "perfect" and that is *so* not the case.
what is his problem? 3 hours is NOTHING in the restoration prodess. It took a friend and me over 3 hours to install the MANUAL antenna in the 71 Challenger! The replacement fender was poorly made, and the support too far away, making the antenna nut threads unable to catch a thread. Take it out, fits fine... put it in, nope. Try a different orientaton- same result.... repeat. The fender maker should pay for our time, right?
I agree with the above
you need to start the epay case first for your protection.
notify your bank that no transfers are to be made to paypal/ epay.wthout your authorization.
I just saw a notice for the Grateful Dead at Chicago... seats... $1000. What has the world come to? Sit outside the stadium, or is that not allowed now? At least I hear Kid rock offers $20 tickets.
he got what was described, he is just claiming that he understands NOS to mean "perfect" and that is *so* not the case.
what is his problem? 3 hours is NOTHING in the restoration prodess. It took a friend and me over 3 hours to install the MANUAL antenna in the 71 Challenger! The replacement fender was poorly made, and the support too far away, making the antenna nut threads unable to catch a thread. Take it out, fits fine... put it in, nope. Try a different orientaton- same result.... repeat. The fender maker should pay for our time, right?
I agree with the above
you need to start the epay case first for your protection.
notify your bank that no transfers are to be made to paypal/ epay.wthout your authorization.
I just saw a notice for the Grateful Dead at Chicago... seats... $1000. What has the world come to? Sit outside the stadium, or is that not allowed now? At least I hear Kid rock offers $20 tickets.
#66
#67
I'm sorry, no way I'd pay $1000 to see the Grateful Dead without Jerry Garcia. Trey Anastasio is fine, Captain Trips he is not.
Seen the real McCoy too many times for far less and not far from their prime.
#72
You know, I usually have one incident like this per year. I even had a guy tell me the part he bought never arrived. I had to remind him about the shipment tracking number before he decided to drop it. LOL
#73
I have had an item shipped to Canada [despite my ads' text stating USA destinations only] disappear via USPS. I sent tracking # to buyer but I can do no more. The posi to Australia never arrived? I sent it to an address in CA, sent buyer tracking info, what more can I do? Then there is the "rebuilt" J heads that "still needed valves and guides..." Got that settled with a partial refund, 'cause I hate to have buyers feel they didn't get what they were buying...
Now I get this from ePay:
"Thanks for consistently delivering exceptional service to your buyers. We're here to provide you a marketplace where you can sell with confidence. That's why we've taken the following steps during the past month to protect your account:
Prevented 1 eBay Money Back Guarantee request(s) from being opened too early in the past 2 months
We've already updated your seller dashboard to reflect these changes, which are for transactions made during the past year. When we remove transaction defects, your transaction defect rate may not go down if you had transactions that received more than one defect."
I feel so safe now
ePay has me covered...
Oh I see a negative feedback from "steve505011"
Steven Szenti
P.O. Box 285
Okanagan Falls British Columbia v0h1r0
I sent a partial refund because shipping was not as bad as I first figured. I sent the item. I provided tracking # to epay and the buyer. Twice.
He issues NFB because he "never got the item"
WTH?
Banned bidder now of course.
Start the epay appeal process
Problems caused after the item leaves my hands are not MY FAULT.
Last edited by Octania; March 5th, 2015 at 04:33 PM.
#75
You are able to post a response to his feedback - would be a good way to hedge any negative impression someone may get. "Sent him properly described NOS item, complains that it requires cleaning - people sometimes!" could go a long way.
#76
#78
what feed back rating did you get... actually its as i suspected he was not out to scam anyone he was just very fussy probably similar to a lot of people on here, he left POSITIVE feedback
Last edited by pogo69; March 7th, 2015 at 06:45 AM.
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