New Cutlass Freak!

[Olds71suprema]

hi my name is Torsten and Im from Germany!!
Im New at this Site/Forum and want to say hello at all!!
At first i want to excuse my english ill do my best that you'll understand me :-)))

I hope i can do some help to you and to me??!!

So here is my ride an 1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme 5,7 ltr V8 Swiss Build and i'm the 3rd owner of this car.
Ive done a lot of work in my car and soon i will rebuild my engine ....

well thats it for the moment...

Thanks Torsten

[Olds64]

Wilkommen. Oldsmobiles sind am besten die Autos. I war zweimal in Deutschland und ich habe nie ein Oldsmobile gesehen. Ich habe nur ein Corvette gesehen. Wie dumm, oder? Das Website hier ist sehr toll und die Leute sind meistens sehr nett. Sie wissen viel wenn es mit Oldsmobiles zu tun hat. Es ist gut das Sie hier sind.

[71rocket]

Hello 71suprema! This is a good Olds site.

[OLD SKL 69]

Welcome to our group. Lots of good people here with helpful information. Nice looking Olds! Do you drive your car on the autobahn?

[Jokers69]

hello.. welcome!!

[Olds71suprema]

thanks for your response!!!
Yeah, sometimes im drivin it on the autobahn, but only, i think it must be about 70 to 80 miles per hour (120 kmh)

By the way i have a question about the rebuilding of my small block:

summit has got the forged engine kit (here the link:http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku

i want to know, if i could use this kit with my #7 headS???
I cant find out everything about it, what heads that i could use with this kit , because of "piston to valve distance"??? or compression funcionality?!?
In germany the parts for oldsmobile are horrible expensive :-((and to find out some facts is harder, as to crack the jackpot if you know what i mean..
Here are the facts i know:
Stock 1971 OLDS rocket 350 5,7 V8 4bbl orig. (now Holley 4bbl #4160 600cfm) with a compression ratio of 8,5:1 (says 442.com)
Edelbrock performer intake(new), HEI Distributor with coil on top (new)
Dynomax Full lenght headers with some custom 2 1/2 dual exhaust
The heads says #7 with 409147 in the middle of the head

on my rebuild i want to take in it:
Comp Cams k kit high energy 268h
Comp Cams Roller Tip Rockers 1441 kit
Melling Hi Volume oil pump with driveshaft and pickup
New Fuelpump
Maybe some new valves if i could find out what size i do have... and if i any one find, who has this valve sizes....
442.com gives two available sizes, they are INTAKE: 1.995 and 1.880
EXHAUST 1.624 and 1.567 which size do i have????
And at minimum i want to change the piston rings and bearings etc
But if i could use this kit above, i will take this for my low compression:-((
Can you please help me out, or if anyone of you has put in such a kit, can me tell his expierience with that ....

Thanks a lot
Torsten

[88 coupe]

Originally Posted by Olds71suprema

........ i have a question about the rebuilding of my small block ........

Contact one of the following Olds specialists. Any one of them can help you put together the combination that will be best for you.

BTR Performance (Bill Trovato)
http://www.btrperformance.com/

Dick Miller Racing (Dick Miller)
http://www.dickmillerracing.com/

FCR Performance (Terry Fritsch)
http://fcrparts.com/Page_1.php

Greg’s Performance (Greg Godon)
http://members.aol.com/gregsperformance/

MJ Proformance (Mark Smith)
http://www.mjproformance.com/

Rocket Racing and Performance (John Stolpa)
www.rocketracingperformance.com

Everyone: Yes, I left two of them out.

Norm

[J-(Chicago)]

Originally Posted by 88 coupe

Everyone: Yes, I left two of them out.

Norm

Gee I wonder why?




I was just at Don from Rocket Racing's house 2 weeks ago, great guys up there in the land of cheese.
One of my motors just so happens to be at RR right now.


This guy is in Germany though.... Might be a slight budget breaker with shipping.

[88 coupe]

Originally Posted by J-(Chicago)

........ This guy is in Germany ........

He is well aware of the costs involved and, to a lesser extent, so am I.

That's why he should do it right the first time.

Norm

[marcar1993]

Welcome! 7 heads are good street heads. If you have a machine shop near by, get the heads milled maybe ,010-,020. If you replace the pistons, 0 deck the block. Boost your cr a bit.

[88 coupe]

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ get the heads milled maybe ,010-,020 .........

How did you arrive at those numbers?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ 0 deck the block .........

With which pistons?

Norm

[marcar1993]

Mill the heads ,010-,020 based on the fact that factory gaskets were about ,010 thick and new ones are between about ,028 and as thick as .039. That's that's ,018-,029 thicker.
0 deck the block with any piston he may use, even a factory piston may be ,010 or more in the hole. If you 0 deck, you gain back some valuable compression. Even at an advertised (not sure) 9,x:1 factory cr, you probably won't have that with the new head gaskets, you can make some of it up by milling off someof the difference on the heads and then 0 decking the block. Then you SHOULD be around where you were. If you were to go with flat tops or anything with a smaller cc, then you do have to be careful as to how far you can mill before you exceed 10:1, you don't really want to go over that because it won't be happy on pump gas.

Sorry I didn't elaborate before.

[88 coupe]

Originally Posted by marcar1993

Mill the heads ,010-,020 based on the fact that factory gaskets were about ,010 thick ........

About?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ and new ones are between about ,028 and as thick as .039 ........ that's ,018-,029 thicker ........

About and about?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ 0 deck the block with any piston he may use ........

Regardless whether it is dished, flat top, or domed?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ even a factory piston may be ,010 or more in the hole ........

Mine are .02"+ below the deck. How much power can I expect to gain, if I zero decked my block?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ If you 0 deck, you gain back some valuable compression .........

What would be optimal compression for his particular application?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ Even at an advertised (not sure) 9,x:1 factory cr ........

Advertised? Not sure? But you are still giving him numbers?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ you probably won't have that with the new head gaskets ........

Probably?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ you can make some of it up by milling off some of the difference on the heads and then 0 decking the block ........

Some, of the difference?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ Then you SHOULD be ........

SHOULD be?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ If you were to go with flat tops or anything with a smaller cc, then you do have to be careful ........

Now, you want him to be careful?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ because it won't be happy on pump gas .........

He is in Germany. Did you allow for the "pump gas" he will be using?

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ Sorry I didn't elaborate before.

No problem.

Now, maybe everyone will understand why I posted that list of engine builders.

Norm

[Olds71suprema]

thanks guys,
i dont want to build trouble in here.....


I actually want to change my cam lifters etc. >> i must pull the block out...
so my opinion was to change the piston rings if that is necessary...
i dont want to do something that is not really really necessery, because i yesterday lost my job and that s*cks me down!!! :-((
But i want to do it right if i have the money !!!

I still have about 6 months to work rock around the clock ( if i find a job as fast i can get) to do the best and right job for my baby.
I just want to gain some expierience, tips etc. till to my rebuild.
And i want to thank everybody who gives me helpful tips for that..

I dont want to put a camshaft in and the next step is to buy a new engine in cause of wrong engine rebuildung, i think you know what i mean ...
As i said if i have the money i will bring it to a machine shop here.
Again thanks guys for pickin me up here professional

Greets from Germany and the www.v8brothers.de
Torsten

[Oldsguy]

Torsten,

Welcome to our site. I looked at the v8brothers site and it looks pretty nice. Too bad there aren't any pictures of the Oldsmobile engines . Maybe you could fix that soon, hmmmm? I believe if you are careful and patient as you seem to be by the language in your posts, that you will be able to build your engine without making any mistakes. Finding a machinist whom you can trust will be very important. Good luck to you.

[Olds71suprema]

Thannks oldsguy

our 73 camaro is going to do a 383 stroke right now but he let all the work do a machine shop and he has taken no photos or so ...

If you want to see the 68 c10 rebuild, click on the car, go to diary and watch the pages ... sean is from oregon and came with the army, i think in 85, to germany. we are all in the same woodworking firm... but im not anymore since yesterday :-(((

I will do a detailled photo set thru my engine rebuild so you can take a look, and i, can look for some screws that i have more after, than before..:-))

See you Guys

PS: On my birthday i got the rocket emblem tattooed on my back...
Maybe i ll post a pic if i got a nice shot...:-)))
I KNOW THATS CRAZY BUT I LOVE MY OLDS!!!!!

[marcar1993]

[quote=88 coupe;24815]About?


About and about?


Regardless whether it is dished, flat top, or domed?


Mine are .02"+ below the deck. How much power can I expect to gain, if I zero decked my block?


What would be optimal compression for his particular application?


Advertised? Not sure? But you are still giving him numbers?


Probably?


Some, of the difference?


SHOULD be?


Now, you want him to be careful?


He is in Germany. Did you allow for the "pump gas" he will be using?


No problem.

Now, maybe everyone will understand why I posted that list of engine builders.

Norm[/qoute]


Ok, I understand that you are trying to weed out the good info from the bad. What I'm trying to do is SUGGEST, this is his build, his money, his car. He makes the decisions, I would NEVER take anything info on a forum as 100% correct until it's been coraberated by someone who I know and trust. I take no offense to your questioning, whether intended or not, but I hope you can understand what I'm trying to get across.

[Olds71suprema]

Hey guys be cool we're olds drivers, right????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm very grateful that everyone try's to help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In Germany no one/propably 1,2,3 people knows about olds engines....
So please!!!!!
I think every answer that i can get here, however it is, its more important than you can believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now here are some engine pics

let them speak for their selfs

Thank you and see you
Greets Torsten

[marcar1993]

88coupe is just making sure I don'g give you improper advice. He's just filtering out some stuff. I know, I don't intend to argue, just a discussion.

Back to the subject at hand. That is a nice car and a nice motor. Just curious, was that car imported by gm, or a previous owner?

[88 coupe]

Originally Posted by marcar1993

Ok, I understand that you are trying to weed out the good info from the bad ........

It's refreshing to get a mature reply, instead of a personal attack/flame. Might be the first time it has ever happened.

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ What I'm trying to do is suggest ........

You are trying to “suggest” a route, to an unknown destination, without knowing the starting point.

Starting point, is the condition of the engine being discussed. Destination, is the intended goal. Since they were not yet defined, your posts were not only confusing, but nonproductive.

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ this is his build ........

Rebuild. A “build” might be discussed in the “Hardcore” section of ROP.

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ his money, his car. He makes the decisions ........

To say anything else, would be ludicrous.

Hopefully, his will be informed decisions, based on accurate information. Information from someone who knows the condition of the engine, his goal, and how to achieve it.

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ I would never take anything info on a forum as 100% correct until ........

What a fine world this would be, if everyone had the same philosophy. Unfortunately, some forum visitors actually follow the erroneous advice they are given. For example, the “urban legends” that are still being kept alive by “knowledgeable” Olds enthusiasts.

It is, pretty much up to us, to police ourselves.

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ I take no offense to your questioning ........

Take offense? To do so, would be immature. Questions are what lead to discussions, and discussions lead to the advancement of knowledge. Which, is why we are here.

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ I hope you can understand what I'm trying to get across.

All I see, is only one of many forum members, who post (with “good” intentions) bogus replies to honest questions. The consequences do not matter, because the intentions are good.

Norm

[88 coupe]

Originally Posted by marcar1993

........ I don't intend to argue, just a discussion ........

When technical issues, such as these, need to be discussed, there can be no argument. By their nature, they must be discussed when they are introduced.

Any time an "argument" erupts, it is started by someone who (to be charitable) has been misinformed.

Norm