challengerx

For sale is a 70 cutlass s numbers matching 455 auto air car. 12 bolt posi with 373 gears. Air parts are all there but not working. Frame and floors are all mint, int is good as is dash pad, bench seat column shift, int is white so it needs a good cleaning but seats are not ripped. Ext is decent but does have some bubbling here and there. Bumpers are in great shape. Runs great. Someone started to clone it. Car is in Rochester ny 14428. $8200 obo. Can call or text Chris @585-451-4015. Thanks

Gerald Nickels

Not sure you have a matching numbers 455 engine as they were never made only 442 and C/S Cutlass SX and wagons had a 455 engine.
Gerald

challengerx

I believe you are wrong

Rallye469

Do you live anywhere near Poughkeepsie?

-Pete

...and yeah...I thought you could order a 455 in just about ANY '70 A-body?

Mikes442

Yes you could order the 455 in a Cutlass but could only go up to a 3.08 rear.

challengerx

I live an hour west of buffalo. Yes gears were added at some point. And thanks for the response

challengerx

Sorry. An hour east of buffalo I meant

1969w3155

Check the vin derivative on the block, if it matches up with the vin, it's factory.

Joffroi

Looks like a lot of car for that price.

Allan R

It was awkward tilting my head to look at that so here ya go. ( I took the liberty of cropping the pic) Very nice looking car and reasonably priced IMO. Just curious - what braking system on front of this car? Power drums or power disc?



BTW is that a red 65/65 GTO??

challengerx

Drums all around unfortunately. 65 gto. Not mine. Real nice though. Thanks for fixing pic to by the way

Allan R

You're welcome.

When you say drum brakes, is that power drums or manual?

joe_padavano

The 1970 Power Teams booklet shows that the L33 455 was available in the Cutlass S. It was not available in the F-85, however.

challengerx

Power drums

Allan R

Joe?? Take note ^^^. I believe this is relatively pertinent to our discussion on the Olds 442 threads discussion about 455 and J50/J52 optioning for the first part of 72. I think it's also relevant to the 71 production year models for BBO's. (sans 442/W30)

Gerald Nickels

With a Cutlass Supreme grill I bet the vin on block doesn't match vin of car. I have never seen a Cutlass S with a 455 Olds motor. I have seen a Cutlass S with a ram air hood and 4 spd. from the factory that wasn't a W-31.
Gerald

Allan R

So Gerald, unless you have seen it you don't believe it exists? That's kind of shallow. Especially dumping on a nice car like the one in this thread. That's almost like calling the OP a liar when you're not in the position to justify it.

I have a build sheet from a 72 special order Cutlass S that is equipped with a 455. The car lives only an hour and a half from here and is owned by a guy named Chris O. It was special ordered for black paint which was not offered in the 72 GM A body lineup - or do you wish to dispute that too?

There are also members of this site who have 455 engines (from factory) in their Cutlass, f85, Cutlass S and Cutlass Supreme's.

BTW, it's not uncommon for folks to substitute things like grills when the originals get damaged. The 1970 Cutlass grills are not reproduced and they are extremely hard to get in decent condition. Just because you haven't seen these things personally doesn't mean they don't exist. I have personally seen and touched plenty of 70-72 Cutlass/Cutlass S models that have factory 455's (yes, matching numbers too). I KNOW they built 455's into those body styles.

Look at Box 24 - that's the VIN for this car 3G87U2Z108543. That's a 72 Cutlass S, built in Freemont with U code 455 engine and M40 3 spd transmission. Scott Hardman (GAOldsman on this site) also has a factory ordered CS Hardtop his Dad ordered from the factory with a U code engine. There are more, but is that a good enough start for you?

Buildsheet-Freemont_zpsdfd34b88.jpg

Gerald Nickels

Why hasn't he checked the vin # yet ? And 71 and 72 are different than 1970 show me the build sheet of a 1970 Cutlass S with a 455 Olds motor ?
Gerald

wr1970

Nik have you wiped your computer screen lately with clean screen wipes? You know the ones for you need to clear the fog! So you can do research to find out what is or isn't available before you post.No need for you to go on these rants.Just because you never seen a cutlass s that is a 1970 with a 455 doesn't mean there was none.I have seen two numbers matching with 455 engines 1970 cutlass s.So sit back take a deep breath.Did you get wound up on ROP so you thought you could come over here and tell these guys they don't know what is or isn't available for a 1970 cutlass s.LOL

wr1970

Allen he isn't stating it but he is referring to the car in question with the supreme grills.That car is a 1970 cutlass s not to be confused with any other year of car you want to interject into the discussion. No disrespect to you Allen.Joe P showed paperwork proving that that engine is available.I have seen two of these examples myself for a 1970 cutlass s.Gerald flies off the handle sometimes.

JOHNNYOLDS442

thanks Allen i thought the same thing my Neck was killing me!!!

Diego

I think for a long time folks didn't know the 455 was available on a Cutlass besides the Supreme SX, but it's true. However, I think the only way one could get a 4bbl. was with the SX - of course, there were two versions of that, making it even more confusing.

1969w3155

Sorta like a Turnpike Cruiser, except with better gears.

Allan R

I think you're preaching to the choir. If you go back and read my post I also am advocating that the 455 engine was available as an option choice for the 70, 71 and 72 Cutlass lineup. My original comment was that just because it has the Supreme grills only means they were replaced for a reason at some time. The standard S and Cutlass grills are somewhat hard to come by, so picking the Supreme grills makes sense. I also have seen examples of 1970, 1971 and 1972 Cutlass models that had matching vin derivatives on their 455s that matched the trans and VIN plate. I think Gerald is just in denial. The 1972 build sheet was simply to show him that Olds did put 455's in Cutlass S models. I apologize that it moved the thread away from 1970.

challengerx

Gerald, you seem like a really pleasant guy and given the fact that I have a family and not tons of time to spend on the computer I finally had time to check the vin. You would seem to be correct in this one and I have been duped by the previous owner, not that it would have stopped my from buying it. This is a driver car and for the asking price someone could do a quick paint job and have a nice clone. The vin is real hard to make out but does not seem to match the dash vin. Again sorry was not trying to misrepresent this car thanks. Chris. Still for sale but with a non numbers matching 455

joe_padavano

How is option information from the 1970 model year proof of anything in the 1972 model year? Does the fact that a W-30 with AT in 1969 got the 328 deg cam mean that it's POSSIBLE that some were built that way in 1970? Of course not, and none were.

Gerald Nickels

My 72 H/O all original and delivered to a dealer as a 72 H/O never had the W45. I checked with Judy Bagley of the Hurst Olds Club and she said some made it out the door with out the W45. My 72 was not the only one that didn't have W45 but three others also. I'm saying I have never seen a 1970 Cutlass S with a 455 it might of happen, but till I see a build sheet with a vin# and pic of vin, I'm sticking to my guns. I've done Olds sense 1967. show me and I'm say OK.
Gerald

oldsmobiledave

There was a 1970 Cutlass S 455 car in Saskatoon SK about 10 years ago. It was a one owner numbers matching car. It was green if I recall correctly. Rare but they did get built.

Gerald Nickels

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Gerald

JOHNNYOLDS442

$5500?

Gerald Nickels

Joe P show us a build sheet from a 70 Cutlass S you don't have one do you. If it was built I would of seen one bye now. I'm 69 next month and grew up with these cars and I'm a Master Judge on OCA.
NIKOLDS
Gerald Nickels

oldsguybry

Very nice cars !

redoldsman

I don't know but I am just worried about the guy loosing his license plate.

z11375ss

It's already loose.

Diego

The following is being said with all due respect - please don't take it personally, as I'm responding to your words and not your character:

You simply haven't seen everything in your life. Production records show these were built. In the position you are in as a master judge, the onus is on you to learn all you can about these cars. Simply resting on your laurels because you "were there" doesn't cut it in a person of your position. I realize a judge can't know everything, but a judge should be making an effort to acquire knowledge, and the fact that you don't recognize that there still are things to learn in the hobby is disheartening to hear.

oldsmobiledave

You are wrong and you are arrogant.

Diego

I don't think he's being arrogant - just abrupt and without due diligence in his conclusions.

oldsmobiledave

Then you are not taking into consideration his posts elsewhere on this site and others.

Diego

I'm not a psychologist and I do think it's unfair to arrive at a conclusion based on posts. Have you ever met him? I've seen his posts and not once have I ever inferred this about his character.

However, I've been accused of it several times.

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