Johnd

First, I would like to thank everyone for their help and support over the past two years, as I worked on my 1970 442 restoration. Unfortunately, the time has come for me to sell this project, and the parts I acquired along the way, that total over 25K.

The car is a numbers matching 1970 442, which came equipped with Ram Air, dual gate, posi (308 or 323 can’t remember), and AC. The car was finished in burgundy mist with black stripes and black interior from the factory, and has a clean Virginia title.

I am selling the rear clip of the car, engine, transmission, and rear end. The good, the quarter panels and roof are extremely clean and original, and a new rear window section has been installed. Also installed are new body mounts, engine mounts, and transmission mounts. The drive train ran great before I began stripping the car down to have them removed a few months ago, and my build thread below shows the compression readings from last year. The bad, the person who welded in my floor pans did a terrible job and they will need to be replaced along with the trunk pan. I have a new trunk pan from AMG for a 1970 Chevelle, which will fit all the way from the back seat up to the rear crease of the trunk pan. Also included is a complete metal dash section which I purchased from a donor car to replace the rust the car currently has.

I am setting the body, drive train and suspension for $4500. Once the body is gone I will be selling the following:

• Original Ram Air Hood in excellent condition – the hood has never been fixed or repaired. It will include a reproduction OAI air cleaner assembly, breather tubes, hood pins, retainers, and reproduction hood tongue from Fusicks (cast)
• Reupholstered Seats – the front buckets have new springs, foam, tracks, covers, chrome piping (the good stuff) and chrome headrest release buttons. The rear seats have new foam and batting.
• Miscellaneous Interior – new carpet, floor matts, arm rests, front kick panels, headliner, wind lace, complete visors, and all visor mounting hardware
• Refurbished Dual gate and console – the console and shifter have been refurbished and include a new top place and cable from Fusicks
• New front and rear bumpers – these are reproduction bumpers from OPGI
• New Tunk lid – This is a reproduction lid and is identical to the early run 70 trunk lids without the circles – it was fitted on the car and lined up perfectly
• Complete set of tinted glass in excellent condition
• A pair of Door Shells – the passenger door had a slight create fixed and the drivers door has a small 1.5 inch section of rust on the lip – again very nice for 45 year old metal
• A pair of Full Doors – these doors are completely rust free and include the glass and tracks
• A pair of 1970 Fenders – the passenger fender has a rust hole the size of a quarter on the bottom but the braces is perfects. It also had a small dent which was repaired near the head light. The drivers fender has no rust but it did have a dent poorly knocked out but is easily fixable
• Miscellaneous Chrome – all the chrome is been cleaned and polished and is ding free - wheel well, trunk, rear window, front window, weather channel
• AM/FM Radio, 8 Track Player and AC Lap Vents
• Tilt column and sport wheel – column repainted with new switches and has new horn cap
• Factory gauges restored with new quartz movement on clock/tac
• Rebuilt carburetor, fuel line, and choke tubes
• Sport Mirrors
• Other Reproduction Stuff – 442 Grills, Headlight bezels, window fuzzies, and weather stripping

There are too many parts to list in one listing. Again, I will be posting these items for sale once the body is sold. If you want to buy the body and package some items I am open to the idea. I am located in Fort Myers Florida 15 minutes from the airport for anyone who wants to see the car or the collection of parts. I can be reached at 508-330-1883 or digregorioj@comcast.net

Below is a link to my build thread for additional pictures:

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/major-builds-projects/73590-restoration-1970-442-a.html#post641102

Johnd

Responded to PM's - Yes I am open to selling everything as a package - email me at digregorioj@Comcast.net if you want a complete list of parts.... Her are a few pictures of the seats and dashboard.

Raivjudge

I owned this car in 1997/1998. I went to the OCA Nats in Lansing and a buddy wanted a W27 for his W30. I bought the W27 and traded him for this car. I myself always wanted a burgundy mist car. It was this rusty even then. Too much for me. I just got it running and driving. It was a real Ram Air car for sure. I did keep the original OAI breather. Good luck with the sale and whomever finishes it. It will be cool.

Johnd

Thanks - did you do any work to the car when you had it? I think the interior floors could have been repaired, it was just the trunk, trunk lip, and rear window that needed help, and the rear window is fixed. This car would be perfect for someone who know how to weld and paint.

Raivjudge

No, nothing really. I just got it running and driving. I had it driving good enough to go to a BOP show Marietta, Ga. It was definitely fixable. It had some cool factory options. I think it came from Knoxville TN. I was told one of the previous owners was a helicopter pilot. Thats were those Danger stickers came from. I will look but I think I swapped the tac's because it had Danger on the Tac as well. I thought that was cool.

Johnd

I have the protecto plate from the second owner. According to what I have found the car was bought by someone in the military who got deployed 1 year after buying the car and then it ended up with someone else who was in the service for 10 years. Then it was own by an old lady who passed it on to her daughter - after 1987 the history is lost.

Johnd

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281765032204...S:1123&vxp=mtr

Johnd

So I got a call from someone on Tuesday regarding the ebay post wanting to know more about the car and the collection of parts. After talking for a little while I asked if they planned to restore the car and if they have any experience with 442's - the guy said he had some experience and we left it at that. When I googled his number to see where he was calling from - it turns out they are a very large manufacturer of Oldsmobile reproduction parts - I felt like an idiot

Johnd

I have had several members ask about selling it as a complete package. Below is a list of parts I have bought over the past two years:


Car
Motor Numbers Matching
Transmission Numbers Matching
Rear Axle (308 Posi) Numbers Matching
Ram Air Hood Excellent Original
Factory Gauges Rebuilt Originals
Dualgate Shifter Rebuilt Orignal
Sport Mirros Original
All New Weathstrippng New Reproduction
Headliner New Reproduction
Hood Chrome New Reproduction
Front Grills New Reproduction
Interior Carpet New Reproduction
OAI Air Cleaner and Base New Reproduction
Headlight Bezels New Reproduction
Window Sweeps New Reproduction
Front Bumper Excellent Used
Service Manual New
Body Manual New
Parts Catalogs New
Floor Mats New Reproduction
Drivers Door Excellent Used
Passenger Door Excellent Used
Hood Tongue Correct Cast Reprodution
Fender Bolts New Reproduction
Fender Braces New Reproduction
Bumper Braces New Reproduction
Bumper Brace bolts New Reproduction
Floor Pans New Reproduction
Seat Brackets New Reproduction
Console Excellent Used
Rear Window Sash New Reproduction
Rear Spoiler New Reproduction (Case Pedestal)
Rear wheel molding drivers New
Breather Assembley New Reproduction
Carburetor Rebuilt Numbers Matcing
Sail Panel Excellent Used
1 Seat Back Plastic Excellent Used
1 Seat Back Plastic Excellent Used
OPG Bucket Seat Frame Bottoms New Reproduction
Front Left Wheel Chrome Excellent Used
Front Right Wheel Chrome Excellent Used
Top windshield Molding Excellent Used
Carburetor Fuel Line New Reproduction
Carburetor Choke Lines New Reproduction
Rear Spoiler Bolts New Reproduction
PVC Breather Filters New Reproduction
Carburetor Bolt Kit New Reproduction
Air Cleaner Stud New Reproduction
Choke Stove New Reproduction
Choke Stove Gasket New Reproduction
Door Rod Insulators New Reproduction
Door Lock Guide New Reproduction
Window Guides New Reproduction
Brake Booster Line New Reproduction
Brake Light Switch New Reproduction
Headlight Dimmer Switch New Reproduction
Transmission Kickdown Switch New Reproduction
Power Steering Lines New Reproduction
Headrest Excellent Used
Dashpot Excellent Used
Headlight Switch New Reproduction
SSI Rim Excellent Used
Trunk Molding Excellent Used
Drivers Drip Molding Excellent Used
Splash Shield Excellent Used
Heater ***** Excellent Used
OPG Side Windlace New Reproduction
OPG Console Brackets New Reproduction
OPG - Visors New Reproduction
OPG - Vistor Supports New Reproduction
OPG - Rear Side Panels New Reproduction
OPG - Headlinder Insulation New Reproduction
OPG - Left Arm Rest Pad New Reproduction
OPG - Right Arm Rest Pad New Reproduction
OPG - Hood Lock Kit New Reproduction
OPG - Seat Back Buttons New Reproduction
OPG - Headrest Locks New Reproduction
OPG - Seat Chrome New Reproduction
Seat Covers New Reproduction
Passenger Door Glass Excellent Used
Headliner Screws New Reproduction
Seat Screws New Reproduction
Wheel Opening Screws New Reproduction
Rear Window Screws New Reproduction
Cowl Screws New Reproduction
Trunk Molding Screws New Reproduction
Rear Seat Bottom Frame Excellent Used
Window Channels Excellent Used
Bucket Seat Foam New Reproduction
New Trunk Lid New Reproduction
Armrest Screws New Reproduction
Channel Screws New Reproduction
Channel Seals New Reproduction
Headlight bezel screws New Reproduction
OPG - Rear Bumper New Reproduction
Bucket Seat Frame Tops (2) New Reproduction
Lower Dash Repair Panel New Reproduction
OPG Bucket Seat Tracks New Reproduction
Dashboard Excellent Used
Body Mounts New Reproduction
Welding Supplies New
Transmission Modulator Valve New
Transmission dispstick O Ring New
3M Body Schutz New
Exhaust System New Reproduction
Exhaust Manifold Gaskets New Reproduction
Exhaust Manifolds New Reproduction
Exhaust Manifold bolts New Reproduction
Exhaust Studs New Reproduction
Rear Exhaust Brackets New Reproduction
Exhaust Manifold holds downs New Reproduction
Exhaust Middle Brackets New Reproduction
Exhaust Rear Brackets New Reproduction
Exhaus Tips New Reproduction
Fuel Tank New Reproduction
Fuel Tank Straps New Reproduction
Fuel Tank Sending Unit New Reproduction
Fuel Tank Pad New Reproduction
Draing Plugs New Reproduction
Exhaust Heat Stove Pipe New Reproduction
Transmission cable New Reproduction
Transmission cable clip New Reproduction
Motor Mounts New Reproduction
Motor Mount Bolts New Reproduction
Flywheel cover bolts New Reproduction
Speedometer Cable New Reproduction
Spare tire mount (trunk pan) New Reproduction
Transmission U Joint New Reproduction
Transmission Mount New Reproduction
Passenger Fender Used
Drivers Fender Used
Power Steering Pulley New Reproduction
Power Steering pump New Reproduction
Alternator Rebuilt Open Face
Water Pump Rebuilt Numbers Matcing
Drivers Inner Fender Excellent Used
Engine Paint New
Seat Belts Excellent Used
Inner Fender Splash Gaurds New Reproduction
New Gauge Faces and Bezels New Reproduction
Rebuild Gauges Rebuilt
Tilt Column Rebuilt
Trunk Pan New Reproduction
Trunk Gutters New Reproduction
Trunk Drop Offs New Reproduction
Directional Lever New Reproduction
Tilt Lever New Reproduction
Tilt Cancel Cam New Reproduction
Tilt Ignition Switch New Reproduction
Ignition Lock New Reproduction
Horn Button New Reproduction
Horn Buzzer for Tilt New Reproduction
Transmission Lines Stainless New Reproduction
Shifter Bezel New Reproduction
Shifter Top Plate New Reproduction
Shifter Wood Grain New Reproduction
Eastwood Exhaust Manifold Paint New Reproduction
Freeze Plugs New Reproduction
Firewall AC Grommet New Reproduction
Firewall Accessory Grommet New Reproduction
Water Pump Bolts New Reproduction
Water Pump Fan Bolts New Reproduction
Engine Lift Hook New Reproduction
Air Deflector Hardware New Reproduction
Radiator Cushions New Reproduction
Water Neck Bolts New Reproduction
Thermostat Housing New Reproduction
Thermostat New Reproduction
Bypass house New Reproduction
Transmission Paint New Reproduction
8 track player Excellent Used
AM/FM Radio Excellent Used
TCS Switch Excellent Used
Metal Dash and Cowl Excellent Used

tru-blue 442

So John, curious, are you selling the parts individually or as a lot?
I'm sure I'm not the only one interested, thanks.

Johnd

My preference would be to sell the car and parts as a lot. If no one is interested, I will begin to sell the parts after the body and motor are sold. As you can see by the list I have pretty much everything to complete the car but the side marker lights, tail lights, and door panels. I have had 4 restoration places call me on the package lot - for someone who knows how to weld and paint this car is a no brainer

tru-blue 442

Cool, thanks for the response.

My442

Why are you selling?


Is it the issue of finding a body shop?


I ran across a Buick GS that had similar rust issues.


The estimates ran about 300 hours.


Do the math at $65-85 per hour.

Johnd

It's a combination of things... I started this project with 5 blown discs in my neck. The doctors thought it would be a good hobby but after 2 years and no progress they feel like it is doing more harm than good. Had I found a reasonable shop down here I would have most likely kept the car. It was my dream car and took me 2 years to find

Johnd

I have posted the car on Craigslist and ebay with a new price of $3500 for the shell and drivetrain. If someone wants the car and all the parts above the price is 15K - which is a 10K loss not including labor. If interested send me an email digregorioj@Comcast.net

tru-blue 442

Heck of a deal John. Shouldn't last long, GLWS.

L69

Pm sent

My442

Best advice I received in this hobby about 40 years ago:


"Always buy the best body and frame you can. Much cheaper and better in the long run"

Johnd

The frame, rear quarters, and inner and outer wheel wells are in excellent condition. I could get away with installing a 3 piece trunk floor and cleaning up the interior floor pan welds for 2.5K - so the estimate above is way too high. Including installing all the new metal I have and paint the 3 estimates have been between 12 to 14K

My442

12-14 K is really low for that much body work.


The paint and supplies are at least 3 K


What are the estimates in hours for those prices?


I know of many, many people who went into a body shop at X price, and exited with a 2X or 3X cost.

Johnd

I had 3 estimates done by high level restoration shops that all deal with old muscle cars. They quoted 5 to 6K for paint and 6 to 8K for the metal work. You haven't seen the car in person to gauge just how solid the quarters, fenders, doors, frame, etc are.. The metal work was for the trunk pan (full 1 piece), 1 piece floor pan, and fire firewall. If you look on AMD's installation site this would be less than 4.5K if it were a chevelle or Camaro. As for the price double and tripling, two of the places said they don' t charge more than they estimate and if the metal doesn't take that long to fit they won't charge for it.. Also the labor prices down here aren't as high as MA. BTW how are things in good old Medway MA. I lived in Bellingham for 15 years before moving down to Florida last fall.

Johnd

The new price of $2800 for the shell and drivetrain. If someone wants the car and all the parts above the price is 14K - which is a 10K loss not including labor. If interested send me an email digregorioj@Comcast.net


This is cheap if you total up that the car comes with over 15K in parts alone..

My442

Medway is the same....very expensive!

Johnd

13K takes the car and all the parts above... If it doesn't sell I will begin posting parts on ebay over the next few weeks

vikingharley

Do you have the dual gate shifter still? I am interested!
Thanks,
Drew
505-577-2334 or vikingharley@msn.com

ah7910

Hope the process is moving along John,
I'm interested in your, oai hood etc
I hope to find some pics details perhaps on here somewhere if there's a link I missed my apologies.


Have a Great weekend forum!

Johnd

$12,800 buys the car and all the parts... shoot me a PM if interested.. I need the garage space for the wifes new car

Johnd

Someone saw the car on craiglist and came by and bought it tonight. I will start posting parts here and on ebay over the next few days. I am interested in moving the larger pieces first.

oldspackrat

John,
Congrats/condolences on the sale.

Stefano

Yes, congrats.

Johnd

Scott and Stefano - thanks - it was a tough decision... I have been going through this morning to inventory parts - below is a list of what I have gone through already:




Below is a list of the parts Icould think of off the top of my head, I’m sure there are more lurking in thecorners, or in the bottom of boxes.

• Ram air hood – neverbeen hit and only light surface rust around latch hold. Includes newlocks, retainers, and rear molding which has already been polished, andreproduction cast hood tongue
• Ram air cleaner –production top and bottom unit new in the box – also includes breathers to thevalve covers which were extra
• Rear Spoiler – Thisis a reproduction the Fusicks did and is correct in every way including the 3studs – they only made one run of these
• Trunk lid –Reproduction trunk lid – again a one run of original 1st style 70trunk lids without the circles on the bottom – fits excellet
• Bumpers –Reproduction front and rear bumpers still in the wrappers
• Seats – completelyrefinished front buckets and rear seat – all new springs, foam, tracks, chromepiping, locks, and headrest locks
• Seat Belts – reallynice set of seatbelts – there is no rust on the buckles, one small mark on oneof the lap belts, and the covers need to be painted – I took one apart and itlooks new inside
• New Headliner –includes assembles visors and all new chrome mounting bracket
• Doors – Set of rustfree doors with sport mirrors holes
• Doors – Set of soliddoor shells, minor spot of rust on drivers bottom lip, and a small crease onpassenger door which was fixed
• Drivers Fender –Original 70 fender – no rust on the heal but has had a dent banged out on thefront – body shop estimated 3 hours to get in primer
• Fender Braces Rear –Original 442 Fender braces for 442
• Fender Braces Front– Brand new set of reproduction fender braces
• Front Bumper Braces– Brand new set of reproduction upper and lower bumper braces
• Passenger Fender –Orginal 70 fender – small rust hole about the size of a quarter, the braces isperfect, and there is one small dent near the light
• Rally pack – Thegauges were just restored by Scott with new faces, bezels and a quartzconversion on the tac
• Dualgate – completedualgate package including perfect black console, new top plates for 70, cable,and the shifter was restored by Scott
• Exhaust – completelynew exhaust, with new factory style hangers, tips, and reproduction manifolds
• Tilt column – onceagain another part restored by Scott – it include new directional and tiltlevers, and ignition switch and lock
• Sport Steering Wheel– The wheel itself is in excellent condition and include the original horn capand a reproduction horn cap
• Sport Mirrors –currently in primer with nice glass
• Power Steering Pump– New power steering pump, lines, pulley, and original bracket
• Alternator – Rebuiltopen face alternator (no numbers) include bracket for AC car
• Waterpump – Rebuiltwaterpump with X on it
• Gas Tank – Brand newgas tank, straps, and mounting pad
• Carburetor – Rebuiltnumbers matching carburetor with new fuel lines, choke tubes and stove pipes
• Dashpot and Bracket– in like new condition
• TCS switch andBracket – in like new condition – comes with 350 and 455 brackets
• Wheel well chrome –set of perfect wheel well chrome already polished - one is NOS
• Rear window chrome –polished and ready to install
• Trunklid chrome –polished and ready to install
• Weatherstrip ChannelChrome – already polished and read to be installed
• Tinted glass –complete set of tinted door glass. Also have windshield and rear window
• Dashboard – Perfectblack dashboard – looks like it was never on a car
• Dashboard WiringHarness – Original harness from car that was never cut into
• AM/FM Radio –overall nice condition
• 8 Track Player –overall nice condition – however someone drilled 3 holes on the bottom plasticto install gauges and the harness has been cut
• AC Lap vents –perfect condition
• AC kick panels –perfect condition
• AC compressor andbrackets
• All new weatherstripping – complete kit for the car
• Grills –reproduction 442 grills
• Headlight bezels –reproduction head light bezels
• Complete 1 piecetrunk pan – it is for a chevelle but will fit a cutlass
• Trunk drop offs
• Carpet – brand newin the box - black
• Floor matts – brandnew in the box – black
• Core Support –overall nice condition but does have pitting under the batter tray – still verysolid
• Four Core Radiator –Used but looks to only be a few years old
• Top Plate forRadiator – 4 core plate with new seals
• Paints – EnginePaint, Manifold Paint, Transmission Paint, SEM black paint, about 8 to 10 cans
• Miscellaneous
  1. Rear trunk channel –metal section between the rears quarters – usually rusted out
  2. Metal Dashboard – this is the complete metal dash andcowl – rust free
  3. Front parking lighthousings – no lenses
  4. Rear directional/brake houses – no lenses
  5. Front Window Tracksand Hardware
  6. Other wiringharnesses – interior, trunk, possibly engine
  7. AM Radio – for parts
  8. Non tilt floor column – needs lock and the little cambehind it
  9. Spare SSI rim
  10. 1 bucket seat frame– no plastic on it was used for moving the car around

Bikerman883

How much are you asking for the floor console?

Johnd

The majority of the parts are already sold. I created a listing under the for sale section of the board.