Stefano

1970 Oldsmobile Convertible, W-30, 4 speed, Documented 1 of 96

Real Deal, with good history, original dealership documentation and a high level restoration.


$280,000.00 obo/trade

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Vader

Why doesn't the invoice or cards list the W30 option ?
Am I missing something ?

Just trying to educate myself. Thanks

oldcutlass

Nice car, almost a rules of 7 for return on investment. It basically doubled in price every 6 years.

1969w3155

I am asking the same thing. The invoice should show it, as it is a list of options (which the W30 pkg is), and I have never seen a broadcast card for 1970 that did not have it.

Stefano

I can't speak from your frame or reference, but just because you have never seen it before doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

There are other documented 1970 W-30s which did not have W-30 on the broadcast card. This is one which does not have it designated.

The dealers buyers order / Bill of Sale clearly shows W-30 Package at the retail price of $369.68 and the dealer Invoice shows Inuuction Sys (Induction System) at $321.22.

Joffroi

I like how the original owner traded in a 68 442 convertible. Had good taste with both his cars.

442Fred

From my understanding they didn't include the W30 option on the trim broadcast until the beginning of 1970, this car was produced in October/November time frame. If someone can prove me wrong I like to learn, that is the beauty of this forum. Lots of people with some knowledge.

72xw30

FWIW, one of my 70 W30 cars - built Oct. 28, 1969 does have the W30 stamped in BOX3 of the 2 broadcast cards I have for the car.
My hardtop was built approx 1300 cars before this beautiful convertible.

Sam

70W30Jim

Hello Fred,
Mine was built last week of Oct '69, clearly states W30 on the broadcast card...

Vader

So your saying the base price of a w30 vert was $3567, which included the
$321.22 + the other options listed on the left ? I don't have access to original price guides or window stickers. Is that how the pricing broke out ?
Thanks

L69

learn something new everyday. i have owned several 70 w30 and all my broadcast cards show w30 i believe in line 9

L69

i am going to get my other 2 broadcast cards now from my other 2 w's and i can swear they both show w30 also. might be wrong on the line #

L69

here are two of my w30's my sebring yellow car and my black one both show w30 in line 3. both r stick cars and my white gold stripe car also showed w30 but i sold her and didnt save a pic of the card. I know the other 3 w30's in my possession over the years all had w30 on the broadcast cards.

L69

one my cars is literally few hundred body numbers off. weird to me that it dont say W30

wmachine

May I suggest that W30 convertibles don't have W30 on the Broadcast Cards?

1969w3155

The price of the W30 option was $263.30, a hand written retail order on a $280k car doesn't cut it. "A fool and their money are soon parted."

wmachine

I don't understand what you are questioning. As of Jan 1st, 1970, at least, the cost of the W30 package was $369.68 including the required mirrors and tires priced separately. They are typed on the dealer invoice shown, but the mirrors and tires are listed separately. Those prices on the invoice are exactly the same as show in the Jan SPECS booklet.
I don't know this car, I'm just saying what I see in the documentation.

Stefano

Regarding Fools.......It takes one to know one!

Please note the pink Virginia state inspection form does not belong to this W-30.

Also please see the Original Window sticker to the recently found Black 4 speed Convertible, built after this early car, wherein the dealer Invoice price of options closely match.


Specifically The W-30 option @ $321.23 and the 4 speed M21 @ $184.80

With only 96 ever produced and only approx 23 considered to be the real deal, no issues, no questions, W-30s are difficult to find.

Also noted is that there was a period of time wherein all the broadcast/build cards did not recieve the W30 call out. This has been confirmed on other documented W30s.

w30rocketdr

Stefano
You are correct on this point as I also knew previous owner and saw this before restoration had been started. Red wells had never been out and had its dated mufflers etc. He had bought this way back in the day as it was the only 4 speed with docs available after searching for years. Car was sold to collector who finished in factory color and shown at several Olds nats. It seems that early converts had no W30 inbox as I have October 30th 1969 build with no W30 in box with Canadian docs and a April 1970 with W30 listed on broadcast card. A few other well known converts also early with back up paper, no W30. This is the real deal!! Good luck with the sale.

1969w3155

and I learned a long time ago to never trust a used car salesman.

jstrits

my oct built hardtop shows on first line of window sticker the w-machine package at same price of 321.23 and dealer invoice makes no mention of w package but has 321.23 for induct sys typed in.

L69

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Ces

respectfully, this car is almost exactly 100% over priced.
And that's for the most desirable triple black version.
So this baby blue on metallic blue can not be worth $140,000 by the comps.
These go for $140,000 in triple black.
This is likely closer to a $120,000 car.
And as my all time favorite car, that i have wanted since I was a kid,
I would NEVER pay prices like those for one.
Not unless I was a multi millionaire. many times over.

So, as I love this car, sight unseen, and I respect it,
your price is unfounded, and extremely ambitious.
Have you been studying the recent comps?
I regret to say this car will not sell for $280k at this time.
But the dollar goes down everyday,
so maybe the car will bring that in the next few years....

also, I would consider removing any and all documentation that is not for this car and VIN. If you feel the other doc's are that important, keep them close by to show interested buyers. Putting documents for other cars in the listing for this car smells a bit desperate and looks suspect.

Best with it!

Stefano

Thank you for your input and advise. I do appreciate your candor.

I must agree that I really do like triple black W-30 4 speed convertibles too.

firefrost gold

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Ces

Sorry, but respectfully, I wansnt thread crapping.
Plenty others were doing that.
I was asking the seller about his having studied the market and comps for this year make and model.
I also offered opinion on something I study deeply for many years.
He thanked me.
Point made.

It's too easy to tread on BB forum rules.
Thoughts and dialogue can be infractions.
I'll add, I hear you and your point is taken.

Thank you.

jstrits

As far as my count goes for documented and un-documented 70 4 sped ragtops go in the last couple of years both public and private, there have been 4 sold in the $250,ooo-$300 + range

jstrits

I wonder if these invoices were standard issue to all dealers or if the dealers themselves handled the printing of them. Notice how the blue car's invoice has print on the bottom telling to keep key #'s and serial #'s shown and on the left side the box showing the reynolds company "litho" info only shows one city and this one has multiple cities. I'm not making any point other than differences in essentially the same sheet of paperinvoice.jpg

Ces

Wow, a whole four cars ? Over some years? That's a LOT!
And how many did you see sell below those figures?
As I haven't seen any at those prices, I can't speak on that.
What's the average? How did those 250k + cars compare to this one?
How many were in potentially more desirable color combinations?
An undocumented 70 W-30 selling for 250-300k kinda sounds like some rich guys privately adjusting the curve on their investments.
What country club did that take place at?

tony442w31

Beautiful car great example of W. 30. Tony

Ces

Allow me to apologize to the OP, and CO in general.
This thread is about an awesome car that's for sale.
I would love to be able to buy it.
I hope the seller finds the perfect buyer,
and we all continue to keep these beauties on the road...

sincerely

Texas442

This is a very very nice car. The triple black, red or gold are nice too, but I'd take the blue one any day. Here is a shot when it had zero miles and took Best of Class in 2007

Stefano

Nice Trio!

dc2x4drvr

I saw the car in 2007, awesome resto, Oldsmobile artwork.

davebw31

according to the Micro-Frisch I saw there were only two triple (actually quad) blue W30 cars built (light blue paint, blue top with blue stripes) and blue interior, an auto and this 4 speed equipped W30 convert, both non A/C cars. It is the real deal folks! Hence the price.

Elephant_Engine_Ernie

So Olds had two different shades of blue stripes for 1970? The W-30 drop top has a darker blue than the 'Code C' lighter blue (which makes sense--just looking for a validation)

Elephant_Engine_Ernie

What else do you remember from that microfiche?!

davebw31

Need to make a correction! I stated that two triple blue (actually quad blue) 70' W30 converts were built in that configuration, one a 4 speed and the other an auto. The 4 speed one was a non A/C low optioned car, however I was incorrect on the auto one, it was A/C equipped and loaded with options.


There where other blue W30 coverts built, but not like these two. Do not remember how many, maybe one or two, but had white stripes/interior/top. These two caught my eye because of all the colors being blue. I actually saw the auto one over at Final Assembly in the covered special parking area. Reason why I went back to my office to look up the microfiche for W30 option cars built recently or to be built.


The 4 speed one was a "pre-strike built" car (built prior to end of Nov. 69'). Looks like it was an ordered car in Sept. 69'. The auto one was "post strike" (after Jan 19, 1970) that is when I saw this one. No snow on the ground, so I am guessing April/May? It to was an ordered car. Who would want such an ugly configuration. No dealer would have ordered it for stock.

1969w3155

the Color and Fabric book for 1970 only shows the Code "C" Blue, but it definitely looks lighter than the stripes on this car.

davebw31

Elephant_Engine_Ernie: not much, the microfiches I received sometimes several a week or even daily was because I was in Quality Control and worked closely with Engineering Dept. solving production quality issues. It was the unusual orders, anything ram air, special engineering orders for cars to be built, any cars with W options, especially A body W30/31/32 cars, those are the ones I paid close attention to.


Since I had a magnetic Manufacture's plate I cannot tell you how many W cars I took to lunch! lol