Vader

hey 2 in one day !! Get em while they're cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-4...US_Cars_Trucks

Joffroi

Wow! Thats nice and all but I'd rather get 15 good shape 442s....

briane

The engine spun a bearing early in life, the block is date coded and rebuilt to stock specs.

dnmfranco

exactly my thoughts man to those 70's get the money

Jimi2much

For 1970 there were just under 20,000 , 442's sold . Of that number , there were 355 equipped with the W- 27 rear end .
This one does NOT look exactly like the 1970 , W - 30 , 442 that was picture documented in the October 2013 edition of Muscle Car Review .
Steve Magnante did the article , on a pre restoration of a documented W-30 , auto , convert , 1970 442 , and filled the article with 6 super precise images of a real W - 27 . The housing , 6 total plug welds , and posi tag
all are different .
For complete verification there is a date code stamped onto the lower left side plug weld . The date code on the magazine car was M11 , November 11 th , 1969 . This car would could be verified very easily .
It will be interesting to see if anyone goes that far .
I liked Lee Pearl's car about 4 times as much as this one .
Ah , the temptation . Thanks , Jim

1969w3155

He states that the W27 was only available on the W30...that **** gets old after awhile.

Eddie Hansen

I am not in that bracket to be able to afford it, but also thinking would I? I mean it is possible to buy a reasonable house cash a new zl1 camaro and a couple of 'hobby' cars I could drive the pants off the new car, and have dealer warranty,
Same for the hobby cars, so what kind of person lays out what I consider crazy money for a car that is probably too rare or precious to do anything but a Sunday drive at best?

A museum perhaps and I am not saying the car is not worth what someone will pay for it , I am just shooting the breeze and wondering why?

Diego

I know who the seller is. He's not an Olds guy so I'll let that one pass. He's earnest otherwise.

allyolds68

He also says that it's the only known W30 vert with a documented W27 and Lee Pearls just sold last summer. If you're going to try to sell a $300k+ car you better have all your facts correct

Diego

Re: W-27

"I'll let that one pass."

Nit-picking facts doesn't necessarily suggest he's lacking in integrity, especially when the car may speak for itself.

1969w3155

. No it doesn't, but if you are selling a car for this kind of money, you really need to do your homework, and get the information right. many of us are skeptical of sellers, when they will not put any effort into the correct options etc., that they claim to have, it tends to make one wonder what else is wrong or incorrect. Your friend may be an alright person, but when your talking this kind of money, accuracy is crucial.

Diego

We're talking about the perceived availability of the W-27, not misrepresenting to the point where lies are being said. Kinda petty IMHO.

z11375ss

Diego, just curious. Is this one of TL's cars?

1969w3155

Yep, on a petty $275K car, who cares about details or accuracy.

Diego

The red one is, the black one is not.

oldsuniversew30

375k 275k lol u guys crack me up its a nice driver and the let the speak for itself lmao its saying sorry its screaming give me a fresh frame off restoration and get this rust off of me and then and only then maybe i can sell for big money .

Stefano

Incredible W-30, assuming of course that it is authentic. While several 4 speed convertibles do have W-27s under them today, most have no documentation that they came that way from the factory, at least one has dealer documentation, but this would be the only one I am aware of to have factory documentation.

I wish it was in my garage : )

"Petty" yes some of you are very petty.

Next thing you know, you'll be questioning the authenticity of the car because of a few misspellings, I mean if he can't spell properly then what else is wrong.........?

My first response when hearing from another Olds enthusiast that such a car was discovered was "how Kool it that" !

1969w3155

When making claims to bolster the price of a $375k car with "only convertible W30 documented" with the W27, there is nothing petty about it. This isn't a $5k beater on ebay, owned by a 17 year old kid with zero car knowledge.

Stefano

To the best of my knowledge his claim seems accurate if the reference is to factory paperwork as opposed to dealer paperwork.

Prior to this W-30 coming to light, as far as I am aware, only one of the 96, 4 speed convertibles had any documentation to prove it came with a W-27.

halfmoontrail

Both of these cars talk about the broadcast card not being found on early cars, is this a known fact, and when did they start showing up? My car was built in 11/69, and has W30 on the broadcast card.
Steve

Joffroi

I enjoy reading the questions / answers he has been posting at the bottom of the description.

72xw30

I have a 10/69 built 1970 W30 hardtop. It has W30 stamped on the broadcast card.

Cheers,
Sam

stevengerard

I drive my car a LOT and still wouldn't even think of backing it up in the snow - even a few feet, yikes - hopefully they don't use salt in Easton.

Nice car though.

Dave Siltman

I've been sitting this one out for a while, but it's time to jump in the game. Factory documentation is the "trump card" in proving the authenticity of any car. I know there is at least one other W-27 car that is proven to be real, and everyone here knows it, too. I'm not 100% sure if that car's provenance matches this one or not. I know I'm glad this car surfaced as I'm "hooked" on this stuff, and frankly was unaware this car existed. Of course I'd like to own it and of course we all wish the engine was the one it left Lansing with sitting in the frame rails. The prices of these cars are finally approaching what "exotic" Chevrolets and Mopars are selling for; Oldsmobiles are really gaining some steam in the market. Diego said that the owner really isn't an Olds guy and that we should cut him some slack, to which I HAVE to ask---just how DOES a non-Olds guy end up with this car????

z11375ss

Dave, PM sent.

hurst68olds

IMO the price rise in these cars is due to the non-Oldsmobile crowd getting into the high-hp 4-spd examples from other makes (& both of these W30 owners 345/375 are not primary "Olds-guys") and having experience pushing the market (been there - done that). The price escalation on T/A & RAIV convertibles have seen similar increases recently. Once the '71 HEMI 'Cuda convertible sold for $1M (10+ years ago) - some of the wealthiest in the Mopar crowd had to start shopping elsewhere.

dnmfranco

That's a good point inregards to the affordability of the hemi convertibles.
Def agree hey time to shop else where

z11375ss

I like the cars you can thrash the hell out of anyway. Sig vid.

Diego

Dave, that's not really what I was saying.

What I was saying is that nit-picking something that doesn't really have anything to do with the integrity of the car is petty. The fact that he's a Mopar guy first is irrelevant, as there are plenty of folks out there who consider themselves Oldsmobile people yet don't have a clue - peruse through this site and you'll see.



I believe hurst68olds answered it succinctly.

mrolds69

Ok, it's a nice car, but it's STILL crazy money. It is not 1 of 1, or 1 of 2 or whatever. There has been a 1970 Buick GS455 Stage 1 GM PROTOTYPE for sale on + off ebay for maybe 2 years now. I think they want 88K or something. It is very low mileage maybe 13K. It is in killer show shape, like World of Wheels or concours ready to judge. The car is one of one documented. The car would absolutely whoop the W30 on the track, just like it did when it was new, or when retested by Musclecar Review years ago. Don't get me wrong...I'm a big Olds fan, and I have to admit the scoops and stripes make the Olds look meaner. My point is...how can you justify that kind of $ for either of these W30 cars that recently sold?

Diego

Supply and demand, plus a little artificial inflation.

RocketDevo

The same could be said for a Barrett-Jackson auction, or the like. Many cars sell for big dollars, and the guys with deep pockets are not fretting. The Olds have been under valued in my opinion, and the sister divisions have brought that kind of money and more, so why is it not Plausible that the Olds W30 not do the same. It is interesting that in the olds world the 1970 W30 Convertible 4 speed is top dog with 96 made but the 1971 W30 Convertible 4 speed with 32 made does not bring the same kind of money, so it is not just rarity. I had one, and the Heavy weights in the Olds hobby balked at buying it. Thanks

stevengerard

I too agree crazy money but when folks have earned, inherited or fell into more money in one day than most of us will earn in a lifetime that changes what is a "value" to them. I do not begrudge any of them but as others have said it just makes it easier for them to pay more. You can say the same thing for our houses. The 98 year old lady across the street pays 12,000 in real-estate taxes, she bought the house 60 years ago for the same price (12k) is that fair? Should she sell the house for 24k because she can make twice as much or should she sell it for what the market allows (40 - 50 times her initial investment)? I think she should!

If our W30s were documented better we would all probably be sitting on even a more valuable car CUtlass, 442 or W30 - I can almost garuantee my car would be a 1 of 1 just because it has the automatic seat back release - how many Cutlass convertibles have you seen with that option let alone a 442 or even rarer, a W30. We can't and most likely never will be able to say that our car is a 1 of 5 convertible with Twilight Blue exterior and Pearl interior. I'm sure there are plenty of 1 of 1 Cutlii out there with a 455 and odd option combos but we have nothing to compare it to.

I too can't understand why the 71 W30s are worth less when a 71 Hemi cuda is worth more than a 70. And why aren't the 72 W30's with the can't fool you "X" in the VIN worth more than they are - all supply & demand

Diego

In 1971, GM lowered the compression of all its motors. Chrysler, on the other hand, maintained the compression for the Hemi, all things being equal.

hurst68olds

Most if not all cars (with the exception of "program" cars like the H/Os, Rallye 350s, Pace Car convertibles, etc.) are 1 of 1 when you start going thru the OPTION list. It is more difficult finding 2 identical cars.

oldcutlass

It's not the sellers price that sets the market value, it's the guy who stroked the check. They can ask what ever price that the voices in their heads tell them too. It takes a buyer willing to pay that much.