1970 Rallye 350, 4 speed project car
October 13th, 2016, 03:47 PM
#1
1970 Rallye 350, 4 speed project car
1970 Rallye 350, 4 speed project car
I bought this as a doner car from a member here, but after looking it over, I'm thinking maybe someone will want to save it. If not I'll have less issues cutting it up.
POP and owner history but no docs.
Lots or originality, original paint and some orig stripes.
No doubt in my mind its an authentic 4 speed Rallye
Body tub is very solid, solid floors, trunk, extensions.
Purported to have been parked in 1974 with 45,000 miles
M21
3.42 SH code posi
PS
PDB
Console
BucKets
Tinted Windshield
Needs all front end sheet metal.
Missing Wing
No Hood
Missing one wheel, no spare
No steering wheel
No carb or OAI, dist or alt.
No driveshaft
Engine block and heads (need rebuilt)
Orig trans
$5,500.00
I bought this as a doner car from a member here, but after looking it over, I'm thinking maybe someone will want to save it. If not I'll have less issues cutting it up.
POP and owner history but no docs.
Lots or originality, original paint and some orig stripes.
No doubt in my mind its an authentic 4 speed Rallye
Body tub is very solid, solid floors, trunk, extensions.
Purported to have been parked in 1974 with 45,000 miles
M21
3.42 SH code posi
PS
PDB
Console
BucKets
Tinted Windshield
Needs all front end sheet metal.
Missing Wing
No Hood
Missing one wheel, no spare
No steering wheel
No carb or OAI, dist or alt.
No driveshaft
Engine block and heads (need rebuilt)
Orig trans
$5,500.00
Last edited by Stefano; October 13th, 2016 at 04:09 PM.
October 13th, 2016, 09:06 PM
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Looks like a very solid foundation to rebuild a very nice and somewhat rare 4-speed Rallye 350. Hopefully someone will make this car great again.
Not sure which car pops more Stefano, the Rallye Red W-30 or the Rallye 350. You have been coming across some very nice cars lately, even more than usual.
Not sure which car pops more Stefano, the Rallye Red W-30 or the Rallye 350. You have been coming across some very nice cars lately, even more than usual.
December 29th, 2016, 05:02 PM
#8
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I'd hate to hear it was cut up, I hope someone takes it off your hands. The price may be steep for someone wanting to take on a project with that much work needed.
I hope to see a taker here on CO.
Eric
I hope to see a taker here on CO.
Eric
December 30th, 2016, 03:25 AM
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Man, I wish that car was done! That looks like a pretty straightforward resto.........the one I'm presently doing will be my last.....(resto that is, not collector car), physically, I just can't do what I used to, and what I CAN do takes three times as long!!! So, all you young energetic guys should start restoring all the muscle cars you can and charge us old graybeards too much for them!!!
December 30th, 2016, 12:20 PM
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So many Rallyes have donated their parts and existence for W-30s and W-31s.
There is more in parts at fair market value than my asking price. If someone wants to build a race car and doesn't need the original 4 speed shifter, console, or bucket seats or disk brakes or 3.42 posi etc......tell me what you need/want. I'd really like to keep all the 4 speed parts including mint 4 speed hump : )
Buying a rotten and bondoed up Rallye with a tired drivetrain for more $$$$$ isn't necessarily going to put you further ahead in the long run.
There is more in parts at fair market value than my asking price. If someone wants to build a race car and doesn't need the original 4 speed shifter, console, or bucket seats or disk brakes or 3.42 posi etc......tell me what you need/want. I'd really like to keep all the 4 speed parts including mint 4 speed hump : )
Buying a rotten and bondoed up Rallye with a tired drivetrain for more $$$$$ isn't necessarily going to put you further ahead in the long run.
December 30th, 2016, 06:37 PM
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January 12th, 2017, 12:59 PM
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Part it out value:
3.42 posi rear (real one SH code) not a restamp. $1,200.00
Boxed control arms $100.00
Rear sway bar. $50.00
Front disc Brakes set up $250.00
Good solid frame $800.00
Solid doors complete $350.00 each
Sport mirrors $300.00 pair
First gen deck lid with factory punched spoiler holes $600.00
Engine block and heads $200.00
4 speed console $650.00
Dash pad $200.00
Steering column $100.00
Bucket Seat cores $500.00
Trans M21 $1,000.00
Flywheel $100.00
Bellhousing $125.00
2-SSIIs $100.00
Shifter /rods $250.00
Pedals $100.00
Back Drive linkage $200.00
Solid Rallye tub, title and docs. $2,500.00
Nice fender wells $500.00
That is over $10,000.00 plus misc parts.
3.42 posi rear (real one SH code) not a restamp. $1,200.00
Boxed control arms $100.00
Rear sway bar. $50.00
Front disc Brakes set up $250.00
Good solid frame $800.00
Solid doors complete $350.00 each
Sport mirrors $300.00 pair
First gen deck lid with factory punched spoiler holes $600.00
Engine block and heads $200.00
4 speed console $650.00
Dash pad $200.00
Steering column $100.00
Bucket Seat cores $500.00
Trans M21 $1,000.00
Flywheel $100.00
Bellhousing $125.00
2-SSIIs $100.00
Shifter /rods $250.00
Pedals $100.00
Back Drive linkage $200.00
Solid Rallye tub, title and docs. $2,500.00
Nice fender wells $500.00
That is over $10,000.00 plus misc parts.
Last edited by Stefano; December 12th, 2017 at 10:22 AM.
January 12th, 2017, 02:27 PM
#16
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Like that!
Man, I hope someone is able to keep this one togetherfor what it is.
I think folks may be on a hold for the moment. Time will tell Stefano, but if Ya'll can tuck it off in a corner till after the 20th....
What a cool piece of Olds history. If you do decide to part it out, keep me in mind.
There are some parts from it I know I could use.
January 13th, 2017, 07:32 AM
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I don't think any of those prices are overly optimistic and I know individuals who have paid similar prices in very recent history. But, I just listed the info to make a point.
I have guys offering $3,000.00 for the pKg and that is not going to happen. I don't plan to take a monetary loss. Tony didn't give this car away.
I have sold several project Cutlass' and W-Machines which would have yielded more in parts sales. The good news is that all of those cars are being restored and that makes me happy.
I understand this is what a lot of if not most people would do and if no one wants it at the price I have posted, I will use the parts I need and sell off what is left.
Many of the current 4 speed Rallye's I have seen over the years have been converted column shift automatics........not all but a lot of them. This one is special IMO as it had lots of options and is a real 4 speed.
I don't have the car advertised anywhere else and am confident that the right buyer will surface, maybe?
I have guys offering $3,000.00 for the pKg and that is not going to happen. I don't plan to take a monetary loss. Tony didn't give this car away.
I have sold several project Cutlass' and W-Machines which would have yielded more in parts sales. The good news is that all of those cars are being restored and that makes me happy.
I understand this is what a lot of if not most people would do and if no one wants it at the price I have posted, I will use the parts I need and sell off what is left.
Many of the current 4 speed Rallye's I have seen over the years have been converted column shift automatics........not all but a lot of them. This one is special IMO as it had lots of options and is a real 4 speed.
I don't have the car advertised anywhere else and am confident that the right buyer will surface, maybe?
Last edited by Stefano; January 13th, 2017 at 07:37 AM.
January 13th, 2017, 02:42 PM
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Hopefully someone buys and restores it. Like Stefano said, you do not see many Rallyes with a factory 4-speed and the other desirable options. Thinking about it, the Rallye would make a nice addition to your collection....lol.
January 13th, 2017, 08:05 PM
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I don't think any of those prices are overly optimistic and I know individuals who have paid similar prices in very recent history. But, I just listed the info to make a point.
I have guys offering $3,000.00 for the pKg and that is not going to happen. I don't plan to take a monetary loss. Tony didn't give this car away.
I have sold several project Cutlass' and W-Machines which would have yielded more in parts sales. The good news is that all of those cars are being restored and that makes me happy.
I understand this is what a lot of if not most people would do and if no one wants it at the price I have posted, I will use the parts I need and sell off what is left.
Many of the current 4 speed Rallye's I have seen over the years have been converted column shift automatics........not all but a lot of them. This one is special IMO as it had lots of options and is a real 4 speed.
I don't have the car advertised anywhere else and am confident that the right buyer will surface, maybe?
I have guys offering $3,000.00 for the pKg and that is not going to happen. I don't plan to take a monetary loss. Tony didn't give this car away.
I have sold several project Cutlass' and W-Machines which would have yielded more in parts sales. The good news is that all of those cars are being restored and that makes me happy.
I understand this is what a lot of if not most people would do and if no one wants it at the price I have posted, I will use the parts I need and sell off what is left.
Many of the current 4 speed Rallye's I have seen over the years have been converted column shift automatics........not all but a lot of them. This one is special IMO as it had lots of options and is a real 4 speed.
I don't have the car advertised anywhere else and am confident that the right buyer will surface, maybe?
Right now, today, I am finding complete GTOs A-bodies and 442s A-bodies in my neck of the woods for between $2500 to $3500 and they aren't selling to awful quick. I have a 1968 442 for sell for $4000 and I am not getting very many bites on it either.
When parting them out I have found I can sell the good parts fairly quick and at the prices you've posted. But, as you probably already know, the common parts will sit in your garage for awhile and take up a lot of space. Your four speed stuff and bucket seats will sell fast. So will a few of the other harder to find parts. But everything else will gather some dust before finding a new home. I have sold frames for as high as $650.00 but I have noticed that they sit in the warehouse when I price them higher than that. The roof skin is worth money to the right buyer, as is the package tray. I bet you could get as much as $5500 out of your car over the next year by parting it out. But realistically you're only going to pull in about $3500 before your sales start to stall.
IMO Your car is worth every bit of your asking price. That's what I'd ask if it were mine to sell. But most everyone here already have an Oldsmobile and we are all looking for that great deal so we can make some money. You might need to post it on other venues such as Craigslist, auto trader classic, etc etc. on order to find a buyer.
Another thing to consider is the economy. It isn't really doing that great right now. The stock market is up, but the actual employment numbers are still low as are wages. And those of of who do work have to pay higher medical insurance premiums this year as well as our taxes. It might be summer before some people can come off of some cash for a hobby car.
January 13th, 2017, 08:28 PM
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January 16th, 2017, 08:26 PM
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Being a novice to oldsmobiles (but not to A-bodies), I will ask all of those experienced what it would cost to bring this car to correct, running level (not driver level)? Paint just as it is, with whatever color the fenders and hood turn out to be, a "used" engine, used, driver quality bumpers, all of the correct hardware, etc? I'm talking about how much a hood would be sold for to a stranger and so on. Just want an idea of what the missing parts would cost (as brakes, suspension, driveline, interior, bodywork/ paint, brightwork are the typical costs) the average person just getting into their first Olds restoration who knows NO ONE with an Olds...
Like everyone else, I look at this car as an amazing project that will need a restoration. However, being from the northeast, the car doesn't need rust repair (New England rust, NOT Pacific southwest or southern California rust, LOL) which is like striking gold!
Like everyone else, I look at this car as an amazing project that will need a restoration. However, being from the northeast, the car doesn't need rust repair (New England rust, NOT Pacific southwest or southern California rust, LOL) which is like striking gold!
Last edited by nooldsyet; January 16th, 2017 at 08:28 PM.
January 17th, 2017, 03:51 PM
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Bare min 8-10K to get it running driving and complete. Another 8-10 to get it nice....not concourse nice but driver nice that you can take to a cruse and be proud of...this is you doing 90-99% of the work not a shop, minus the engine machining of course, unless you have those skills and equipment.
Professional resto could be 50-70K and up. Labor rates are crazy but so is everything else.
The easiest way to get something going in this stripped down condition is to buy a 70 bucket seat Cutlass cheap and swap parts. Then worry about the OAI setup, wing, 4 spd console, sport steering wheel etc...Then sell off what’s left of the Cutlass to recoup. Or buy a rusted but complete Rallye. I could have this thing in show-able condition for about 25-30. Me doing 90-99% of the work and finding parts at a "reasonable" cost. That’s why it’s better to start out with a complete car. That said this would make a perfect candidate for someone bringing back a rusted but complete Rallye from the dead as mentioned. Rust free rollers are a large commodity. Only someone outside the rust belt would have the insanity to strip down a clean Rallye! GAH!
Professional resto could be 50-70K and up. Labor rates are crazy but so is everything else.
The easiest way to get something going in this stripped down condition is to buy a 70 bucket seat Cutlass cheap and swap parts. Then worry about the OAI setup, wing, 4 spd console, sport steering wheel etc...Then sell off what’s left of the Cutlass to recoup. Or buy a rusted but complete Rallye. I could have this thing in show-able condition for about 25-30. Me doing 90-99% of the work and finding parts at a "reasonable" cost. That’s why it’s better to start out with a complete car. That said this would make a perfect candidate for someone bringing back a rusted but complete Rallye from the dead as mentioned. Rust free rollers are a large commodity. Only someone outside the rust belt would have the insanity to strip down a clean Rallye! GAH!
January 17th, 2017, 05:39 PM
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January 18th, 2017, 06:36 PM
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If you can do a lot of the work yourself I bet $8,000 is a good target goal.
I attacked my build in segments so I could enjoy the car from time to time. Major components / systems done on the weekends in easy to manage DYI jobs. Of course I sent the motor and transmission out to the professionals. They were done first. Most everything else I did in my shop. I order second hand parts from this forum, Craigslist and Ebay when possible. I made it a second job to hunt down parts nightly. When decent second hand parts were unobtainable or not advisable (Brakes components and suspension bushings) I ordered from the online parts houses.
I have $5000 in the engine and transmission rebuilds.
Tires, $550
Brakes, master cylinder, and brake booster, $350.00
Suspension, shocks, bushings, springs, $500.00
Rear end $350.00
Alt, Starter, Distributor, Wires Etc. $500.00
Misc repairs $600.00
Add $1000.00 to this to buy the front end cap and bumpers.
I attacked my build in segments so I could enjoy the car from time to time. Major components / systems done on the weekends in easy to manage DYI jobs. Of course I sent the motor and transmission out to the professionals. They were done first. Most everything else I did in my shop. I order second hand parts from this forum, Craigslist and Ebay when possible. I made it a second job to hunt down parts nightly. When decent second hand parts were unobtainable or not advisable (Brakes components and suspension bushings) I ordered from the online parts houses.
I have $5000 in the engine and transmission rebuilds.
Tires, $550
Brakes, master cylinder, and brake booster, $350.00
Suspension, shocks, bushings, springs, $500.00
Rear end $350.00
Alt, Starter, Distributor, Wires Etc. $500.00
Misc repairs $600.00
Add $1000.00 to this to buy the front end cap and bumpers.
January 19th, 2017, 10:46 AM
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Fun Cool cars do not equate to valuable.
These cars in super nice condition are mid twenties more or less depending on the car. Look at asking prices then look at any that actually sold.
That being said to put this car together starting at $5500 you will be Waaaay upside down on the value.
This car Will get parted. This is the OP's business not a hobby.
These cars in super nice condition are mid twenties more or less depending on the car. Look at asking prices then look at any that actually sold.
That being said to put this car together starting at $5500 you will be Waaaay upside down on the value.
This car Will get parted. This is the OP's business not a hobby.
January 24th, 2017, 07:47 AM
#37
I bought the car to use as a donor car for "parts" that I need for other projects. I did not buy the car to part it out. That is not my business.
My opinion is that a well restored and optioned Rallye 4 speed will fetch more than an equivalent automatic. A professional high level restoration of this particular car, just like most Rallyes, will put you upside down, financially. If you can do most of it yourself you might end up, donating all your labor to the effort.
My opinion is that a well restored and optioned Rallye 4 speed will fetch more than an equivalent automatic. A professional high level restoration of this particular car, just like most Rallyes, will put you upside down, financially. If you can do most of it yourself you might end up, donating all your labor to the effort.
Your thing is your thing nobody juges anybody here
