questions from a newbie

stew6371 · 01-12-2007, 09:28 PM

im new to olds so bare with me. i want to build a bbo for my 84 cutlass. but i would like to make 500 hp with 8.5:1 comp and alum heads and a hyd roller cam. also i need to know who makes forged bottom ends for olds ad i plan on using a procharger also? thamks

texasred · 01-13-2007, 12:15 AM

To meet your specs will be a tough. 500hp pn pump gas? It'll take more expertise than your average engine guy.

May I suggest you contact
http://www.dickmillerracing.com/
http://www.fcrparts.com/Page_1.php
http://www.rocketracingperformance.com/
or any number of reputable Oldsmobile engine builders. Just stay the heck away from Mondellos.

C.J.

stew6371 · 01-13-2007, 04:13 AM

thats what im afraid of. i know i can achieve these goals with a sbc or a sbc, but i have never built an olds before and i wanted to stay all olds, but it may not be feesable to do so . thanks

2blu442 · 01-13-2007, 05:03 PM

If your serious about making an Oldsmobile go fast with an Oldsmbile engine it can be done. You might have to tweak on your requirements though. If you want to learn about Oldsmobile combinations go to realoldspower.com and view the Engine Builds\Combos and Hardcore Race\Engine Tech. Just don't say you want to put a Chevy in your Olds on that site.... you won't get any help or information from them if you speak "blasphemy" like that

John

texasred · 01-13-2007, 06:24 PM

IMHO-You don't really need a forged crank. There's plenty of drag cars running steel cranks.

Also IMHO-Aluminum heads? $1800 for unported bare heads which don't flow any better than cast heads out of the box. You spend a lot of bucks to save 50 lbs.

True-There's a guy on ROP (I forget his name...maybe RedDropTop?) runs a street 'charger on his Cutlass.

True-Ch#vy drivers makes a big deal out of 4 bolt mains, but their blocks have low nickel content unlike Olds....so 4 bolts in mush is better than two bolts in mush.

More true-I say it a lot, but my best bud runs a 70 442 W-30 with unported iron heads and a QJet deep into the 11s. He is also a builder/blueprinter specializing in Olds.

Really true-If you put a location in your profile, maybe we could suggest someone close to you.

C.J.

stew6371 · 01-14-2007, 04:27 AM

so edelbrock heads dont flow any better than c or #7 heads? or were u talking aftermarket steel heads? im not worried bout 4 bolt main. all my engines i built have been 2 bolt.im thinking of changing up a little bit and build a 350 olds for a little more rpm. is it possible to squeeze 450 - 500 hp out of a 8.5:1 sbo? thanks for help. i dont like the rop board. lot of jerks on that board.

texasred · 01-14-2007, 05:20 AM

You can port 7 and 7a heads to flow as good if not better than 5 or 6 heads. A 350 is a fun little motor...I run one now.

As to 450-500hp, check out the links and talk to those pros.

C.J.

stew6371 · 03-01-2007, 05:43 PM

ok ive changed my plans. im going to go all motor. i going to build this car into a bracket car. im gutting the car as much as possible to get the weight down as much as possible. what do you all think of a 455 with 12-14:1 compression(on alky)with mildly ported or stock heads, a hyd cam, 500-550 lift approx, aluminum intake. will stock bottom end hold up to 5500 rpm ok?

01-12-2007, 09:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
stew6371 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: norman,ok Posts: 10	questions from a newbie im new to olds so bare with me. i want to build a bbo for my 84 cutlass. but i would like to make 500 hp with 8.5:1 comp and alum heads and a hyd roller cam. also i need to know who makes forged bottom ends for olds ad i plan on using a procharger also? thamks

01-13-2007, 12:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
texasred Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 806	To meet your specs will be a tough. 500hp pn pump gas? It'll take more expertise than your average engine guy. May I suggest you contact http://www.dickmillerracing.com/ http://www.fcrparts.com/Page_1.php http://www.rocketracingperformance.com/ or any number of reputable Oldsmobile engine builders. Just stay the heck away from Mondellos. C.J. __________________ Home of the 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible Super Karate Monkey Death Car.

01-13-2007, 05:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
2blu442 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 808	If your serious about making an Oldsmobile go fast with an Oldsmbile engine it can be done. You might have to tweak on your requirements though. If you want to learn about Oldsmobile combinations go to realoldspower.com and view the Engine Builds\Combos and Hardcore Race\Engine Tech. Just don't say you want to put a Chevy in your Olds on that site.... you won't get any help or information from them if you speak "blasphemy" like that John __________________ 1964 Cutlass Factory 4spd 1965 442 4spd 1967 442 Auto 1967 Cutlass Convertible 1968 442 Auto 1969 442 W30 Auto 1970 442 4spd 1971 Cutlass Flat Top Wagon 1973 Che*vy 3/4 Ton 454/TH400 Tow Vehicle Only the tow vehicle is finished!

01-13-2007, 06:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
texasred Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 806	IMHO-You don't really need a forged crank. There's plenty of drag cars running steel cranks. Also IMHO-Aluminum heads? $1800 for unported bare heads which don't flow any better than cast heads out of the box. You spend a lot of bucks to save 50 lbs. True-There's a guy on ROP (I forget his name...maybe RedDropTop?) runs a street 'charger on his Cutlass. True-Ch#vy drivers makes a big deal out of 4 bolt mains, but their blocks have low nickel content unlike Olds....so 4 bolts in mush is better than two bolts in mush. More true-I say it a lot, but my best bud runs a 70 442 W-30 with unported iron heads and a QJet deep into the 11s. He is also a builder/blueprinter specializing in Olds. Really true-If you put a location in your profile, maybe we could suggest someone close to you. C.J. __________________ Home of the 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible Super Karate Monkey Death Car.

01-14-2007, 05:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
texasred Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 806	You can port 7 and 7a heads to flow as good if not better than 5 or 6 heads. A 350 is a fun little motor...I run one now. As to 450-500hp, check out the links and talk to those pros. C.J. __________________ Home of the 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible Super Karate Monkey Death Car.

01-13-2007, 04:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
stew6371 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: norman,ok Posts: 10	thats what im afraid of. i know i can achieve these goals with a sbc or a sbc, but i have never built an olds before and i wanted to stay all olds, but it may not be feesable to do so . thanks

01-14-2007, 04:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
stew6371 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: norman,ok Posts: 10	so edelbrock heads dont flow any better than c or #7 heads? or were u talking aftermarket steel heads? im not worried bout 4 bolt main. all my engines i built have been 2 bolt.im thinking of changing up a little bit and build a 350 olds for a little more rpm. is it possible to squeeze 450 - 500 hp out of a 8.5:1 sbo? thanks for help. i dont like the rop board. lot of jerks on that board.

03-01-2007, 05:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
stew6371 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: norman,ok Posts: 10	ok ive changed my plans. im going to go all motor. i going to build this car into a bracket car. im gutting the car as much as possible to get the weight down as much as possible. what do you all think of a 455 with 12-14:1 compression(on alky)with mildly ported or stock heads, a hyd cam, 500-550 lift approx, aluminum intake. will stock bottom end hold up to 5500 rpm ok?

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