hdstuesse

We own a 1972 442 (absolutely not a clone) convertible with a 350 V-8 and 4-speed with a bench seat. Any way I can find out how many were made with this combination? Thanks.

4fortwo

I'm not sure if you can find a true tracking of each option package, hope this helps though:



http://www.yearone.com/yodnn/tech/Ve...4/Default.aspx

442much

My sources say that 1121 Cutlass Supreme 442 hardtops had the 4 speed transmission. How many had the 350, I don't know...sorry.

joe_padavano

Sorry, but the first problem is that there were NO 442s built on the Cutlass Supreme hardtop body in 1972. The only four bodies that were available with the W29 442 option package for that year were the Cutlass Holiday Coupe, the Cutlass S Sport Coupe, the Cutlass S Holiday Coupe, and the Cutlass Supreme convertible.

442much

Well then, if that's the case there were 131 1972 Supreme 442's with 4 speeds.

joe_padavano

If that number is correct, all would have been convertibles.

wmachine

1972 442 4-spd production was 322.
289 Cutlass and Cutlass S Coupes
33 Cutlass Supreme convertibles.

442much

Perhaps. My source says 15 442 Supremes had 3 spds, 131 had 4 spds and 1025 had automatics. Then again it depends on where you got your information. Mine came from an old car club newsletter, so maybe your source is more official than mine.

The newsletter also says that of the 772 W30's, the W30 Cutlasses has 370 automatics and 289 4 speeds. Of the W30 Supremes there were 80 auto's and 33 four speeds which match your figures. Of course the original post didn't say the car was a W30 so I didn't look at the numbers for W30's.

tkw31

does anyone have production figures for a '71 442 (non w30) with a m22 and a w37 dual disc clutch? my guess would be a handfull? any guesses? thanks

442much

Using the same source, as before it shows:

4467 442 Convertible 183 four speeds
4487 442 Hardtop 895 four speeds

These are total and not only for W37

70 442 crazyman

Hey, not to take away from your questions...but can someone give me an exact location for my console / shifter in my 70-442 clone, it never had a floor shift so I am starting from scratch...if I could get a measurement to front of shifter or console I'm pretty sure I would be right in my installation of all pieces.....Thanks for any input...

88 coupe

This one belongs in it's own thread.

Any mod should be able to move it and delete this post.

Norm

Diego

I think the 33 are for W-30s; possibly the same for the other numbers.

wmachine

Correct. I omitted "W30" when I posted that. Expanded:

1972 442 4-spd production was 1252.
1121 Cutlass and Cutlass S Coupes
131 Cutlass Supreme convertibles.

Of the above, the following:

1972 442 W30 4-spd production was 322.
289 Cutlass and Cutlass S Coupes
33 Cutlass Supreme convertibles.

Diego

I guess I could clarify that "coupes" really is:

Cutlass Holiday Coupe
Cutlass S Sport Coupe
Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

It can be confusing because some manufacturers referred to their hardtops as "sport coupes" . . . speaking of confusing, I know one source that shows the Cutlass Supreme hardtop/442, and I'm sure other sites and books picked up on that and have continued to promote the fallacy. I believe there's the same thing with 1968-69 W-31s, but can't say for sure.

vette442

Let's make it even more confusing! In 1972, 66 Cutlass Supreme ragtops had the V Code L75 455/M20 combination, but not all of these W29 442s. However, there are 13 of them that ARE 442s in my V Code registry so far, so that helps narrow the number of 350 cars down a little bit. 131 minus 33 minus at least 13 = at most 85 350/M20 442 ragtops built.

Terry

Michael Lenyo

There were absolutely ZERO 1971-1972 Cutlass Supreme's "The cars with the Monte Carlo style roof's" that were 442's. Not a single car. No and of If's about it. ZERO Notta,...Zilch. Yes they should have,...but they didn't.

Michael Lenyo

There were ZERO 442 Cutlass Supremes with 3 Speed's because Oldsmobile didn't produce a single 442 Supreme either year.

wmachine

First of all, you're posting to a 2009 thread.
But most importantly, you're not paying attention. The references are to a 1972 Cutlass Supreme CONVERTIBLE. And Oldsmobile did indeed produce 1171 1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertibles with the 442 option. And 15 of them were 3 speed manuals.
Trust me, the posters are not "misinformed".

ent72olds

.....but thanks for coming.......

joe_padavano

Welcome. I've moved your post to it's own thread, as the thread you responded to was originally from 2008. As Diego noted, the production numbers at that level of option breakout just don't exist. Sorry.

You may know that for the 1972 model year, the 442 was demoted from a dedicated model line to an option package available on certain Cutlass models. The W29 option package was called a "handling and appearance package" and only included the FE2 suspension and the 442 grilles and exterior badging. It was available with any engine and transmission offered in the Cutlass line, from the 350 2bbl to the W-30. The automatic trans was optional on the Cutlass line (the three speed manual was the base trans) and when you ordered the automatic, you got the column shifter (even with bucket seats) unless you paid extra for the console and floor shifter.

Sam Barrett

I am trying to find production information on a 1972 Cutlass supreme convertible W29 with a 4-speed and air conditioning. Can anyone help with that?

Sam Barrett

To further help with the production search -- The car is a number matching J code (350 dual) with the M20 tranny.
Any help appreciated.

oldsmobiledave

As I posted in your other thread Oldsmobile did not keep records of production based on options other than transmissions. No one knows how many of the 4 speed cars were equipped with a/c.

Sam Barrett

From all of the above information, which I really appreciate, my car would be 1 of 98 produced in 1972.
W29s Conv 4-speed = 131
W30s Conv 4-speed = 33
Please correct me if this is incorrect

anthonyP

lf the J-code is the 350 2bbl dual exhaust engine, that is a very rare option. Adding a 4-speed makes it even rarer, and with factory A/C, almost non-existent.

My friend has a factory '72 442 convertible with the stick 455 V-Code and A/C. It was ordered with the intention of being given to the winner of a golf tournament, so it has a slew of performance and luxury options.

Sam Barrett

Hi Anthony, You just described my car. Numbers matching J code Vin convertible, M20 4 speed, and AC. I know it is 1 of 98, but with the J code engine and AC I suspect it is probably somewhere around 1 of 10.

My wife insisted on having AC because we live in Florida. I have added an Edelbrock intake and 4 barrel carb and done a beauty restoration (exterior and interior). Underneath looks like a driver with 88,642 miles on the car. I did rebuild the front end and brakes about 6,000 miles ago and upgraded the AC. Replaced the front seal about 4,000 miles ago.

vette442

It's not clear if the 33 X Code w-30s were included in the 131 number. They may have been counted separately. I also stated earlier that some or many of the 66 V Code 455/M20 convertibles were W-29s. You will never get to an exact number like 98 or someone would have figured it out years ago. If you take 131 minus the number of V Code W-29s (unknown but less than 66 - I have 12 tracked in my registry as of today) you get a number smaller than 131 for 350/M20 W-29 convertibles.
Terry

oldsmobiledave

Beautiful car but your 1 or 10 with a/c is merely an estimate that you have chosen to believe. No one knows......including you.

Just be proud to own a rare 4 speed 442 convertible. We can all agree that it is one of 131.

anthonyP

Very nice car and color. The J-code 350 2-bbl/dual exhaust option is rare. Much rarer than the M-code 350 4-bbl/dual exhaust option. Did you see the Flame orange '72 442 for sale on eBay with a 4-speed and A/C? Wish I had the money.

Just curious, besides a little performance increase, why did you replace the 2-bbl with a 4-bbl? The 2-bbl/dual exhaust is what makes the J-code combination unique.