Thomas Simcich

Can someone please decode this for me: 67 442
09E
ST 67-33817 BF 00638 BODY
TR 970 LL PAINT
B80
G02016 01 298

Engine casting number is: 390925E

VIN 33817 72101645

rcorrigan5

09E = time build code = September (09), last week of that month (E), 1966


ST 67-33817: ST 67 = style/model year = 1967; 3 = GM division = Oldsmobile, 38 = model series = Cutlass Supreme, 17 = body type = holiday coupe


BF = assembly plant = Fremont, CA


00638 BODY = Fisher body number (no relation to the VIN at all)


TR 970 = trim number (interior color and front seat type) = black interior with bucket seats


LL PAINT = lower and upper body colors = Tahoe Turquoise for both


The codes below the color line have to do with options that others here have much more of an insight on than I do!


390925 E is consistent with a 400 cubic inch block used in the '66 and '67 4-4-2 models.


VIN 33817 72101645: It should be more like 338177M101645.


3 = GM division = Oldsmobile
38 = model series = Cutlass Supreme
17 = body type = holiday coupe
7 = model year = 1967
M = assembly plant = Lansing, MI
101645 = plant sequential number


Hope someone else chimes in with the options!


Randy C.

Thomas Simcich

This is a 67 442 being sold by Vanguard Motors in Plymouth Michigan. I thought the VIN was incorrect so I went back and checked it on Ebay and it was in a picture just as I posted it????? Just to double check, the VIN and the data plate numbers do not match, is that correct?

joe_padavano

It's a Fremont car. The "2" is really a "Z". The VIN is 338177Z101645.

By the way, they have the VIN listed correctly on their website.

joe_padavano

Correct. Also, keep in mind that the VIN tags came to the assembly plant with everything EXCEPT the four model and style characters stamped (this is documented in the assembly manual). That's why those four characters look different. Granted, this particular tag looks worse than others I've seen, but frankly there's no reason to fake it. The VIN doesn't indicate if the car is a 442 and doesn't match the cowl tag. There would be nothing gained by monkeying with this tag.



Of course, the bigger problem with this car is that it's an A/C car, but the engine has non-A/C accessory brackets (incorrectly painted engine color instead of black). Obviously the car has been apart and put back together. What else was done at that time, and is it correct or incorrect? That's a bunch of money for a car with unknown pedigree. I don't see a Protect-O-Plate in the photos, so there's no way to know if the car was originally a 4 speed or even a 442. 1967 doesn't have VIN derivative stamps. The car does have the finest repro parts money can buy, however.

Once again, all Freemont cars are now 442s...

jaunty75

The "B80" means roof drip molding.

I don't think the "G02016 01 298" is decodable in to anything.

Koda

Those codes decode to internal Fremont sequence and order numbers and mean nothing other than when it went down the line. This being a Fremont car, like Joe cynically and accurately points out, one cannot tell if the body came from a 442 or not, or an automatic car, or not. I believe the other plants' cars had a code for the transmission, and the 5V code was the 442 package.

This car is interesting, and numerous liberties have been taken. Although there appears to be a correct rallye pack and FM radio in there (both pricey), there's a later sport wheel, which is also pricey and wrong. Wheels are obvious aftermarket, interior looks mostly correct, front and rear clips look correct. Incorrect arm rest paint, and those might be the correct non-deluxe seat belts. I believe the shifter **** should be white, but I could well be wrong. The no console but buckets and 4 speed is a rare thing and may not have come that way on this car.

Engine. Wrong valve covers, wrong wires, wrong dipstick, correct air cleaner if it is in fact a factory 4 speed. Wrong accessory setup like mentioned, no AC compressor. I'd like to see the RH head stamp for the engine code and a protectoplate.

joe_padavano

Well, first let me correct some misinformation in my earlier post above. In the 1967 model year, the 442 option was ONLY available on the Cutlass Supreme, so the VIN tag, while not proof that the car is a 442, could have disproved the fact if it were any model other than a Cutlass Supreme (as shown by the 33817...), so there MIGHT have been something gained by doctoring the VIN tag. As I noted before, however, there is nothing to indicate that the tag has been tampered with on this car, but I did want to be completely correct.

Cynical? Moi??

5V for the 442 package and piercing codes for the floor shifter. Note that a factory AT car would have come with the column shifter and no piercings unless the optional console was also ordered.

Well, the base trans with the 442 package was the For..., er DEARBORN top loader three speed, with Hurst floor shifter and without console. Of course, even the upgrade to the four speed did not include the console - that was extra cost in all cases.

rcorrigan5

...and I see where I made a mistake. For some reason, I had Lansing on my mind, even though I originally identified the data plate correctly as Fremont. The "M" I had in the VIN should have been a "Z", as was subsequently pointed out by everyone else!


Randy C.

Thomas Simcich

Thank you very much for the help. I am amazed at the amount of knowledge possessed by all of you people. All of you are a credit to the memory of Oldsmobile.

Koda

Thanks for the info, Joe. Was base the 3 on the column or a 3 speed floor shifter with that toploader?

joe_padavano

From above:

The three speed Saginaw with column shift was the base trans in lesser Cutlii, but the Dearborn with Hurst floor shifter was the base trans with the 442 package.

Koda

Roger that. I saw it, just wanted clarification.

hurst68olds

G02016 = order number
(my Fremont '67s is G72032 & was shipped new to Las Vegas) Order Number is on top of window sticker also.

338177Z101645 09E body # 00638
VS.
338177Z109895 02A body # 04231


They show the casting date on one of the "C" heads as "321" (Thursday 11/17/66 if original to a 400 "E" block) - that head is NOT original to the car.