New to forum, need advice on a '70 W-30 car
March 4th, 2015, 09:17 AM
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My terminology may be off, this is the sheet from under the carpet that details out the options (the same sheet that was under the gas tank on my '70 GTO) I'll get pics when I'm home.
Still own the '65 GTO vert, hate to but need to sell her, as I'm up to too many old ones, clean car, it will sell. Do think the 442 makes itiworth letting go of the goat, and I'm true pontiac thru and thru
Still own the '65 GTO vert, hate to but need to sell her, as I'm up to too many old ones, clean car, it will sell. Do think the 442 makes itiworth letting go of the goat, and I'm true pontiac thru and thru
March 4th, 2015, 08:00 PM
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66 bonne is no slouch.
I do like the colors on the car as you say Diego, blk vinyl top makes it pop, the top is in very nice original condition.
I do have other ponchos, a 70 GTO vert, and three 69 birds, including my first high school car, so I'm good. I've owned the 65 longer than I thought I would, told the wife I'd sell in a year, which was 5 years ago. The 442 is more blue chip, as my 65 does not have the original motor / tranny, so I'm good, no regrets! I'm not much on selling old cars, but good to know the investment is solid.
I do like the colors on the car as you say Diego, blk vinyl top makes it pop, the top is in very nice original condition. I do have other ponchos, a 70 GTO vert, and three 69 birds, including my first high school car, so I'm good. I've owned the 65 longer than I thought I would, told the wife I'd sell in a year, which was 5 years ago. The 442 is more blue chip, as my 65 does not have the original motor / tranny, so I'm good, no regrets! I'm not much on selling old cars, but good to know the investment is solid.
March 5th, 2015, 05:29 PM
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Is that a real Mint Turquoise convertible?
I believe one of the big Pontiac guys in FL painted his convertible this color maybe 10-15 years ago, although I think his was not this originally. Mint Turquoise is the rarest GTO color aside of the Judge-only Orbit Orange (although several were special-ordered on other Pontiacs).
I believe one of the big Pontiac guys in FL painted his convertible this color maybe 10-15 years ago, although I think his was not this originally. Mint Turquoise is the rarest GTO color aside of the Judge-only Orbit Orange (although several were special-ordered on other Pontiacs).
March 5th, 2015, 07:18 PM
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Yes, original mint turquoise car, it is the 2nd rarest color after orbit orange I understand. Car is correct down to the starter, carb, alt, master cylinder, etc. I did some suspension work on it to make it handle, minor bolt on sway bars, etc, I added power windows and gauges, amd the wing. Very nice driving car.
March 6th, 2015, 08:26 AM
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66 bonne is no slouch. I do like the colors on the car as you say Diego, blk vinyl top makes it pop, the top is in very nice original condition.
I do have other ponchos, a 70 GTO vert, and three 69 birds, including my first high school car, so I'm good. I've owned the 65 longer than I thought I would, told the wife I'd sell in a year, which was 5 years ago. The 442 is more blue chip, as my 65 does not have the original motor / tranny, so I'm good, no regrets! I'm not much on selling old cars, but good to know the investment is solid.
I do like the colors on the car as you say Diego, blk vinyl top makes it pop, the top is in very nice original condition. I do have other ponchos, a 70 GTO vert, and three 69 birds, including my first high school car, so I'm good. I've owned the 65 longer than I thought I would, told the wife I'd sell in a year, which was 5 years ago. The 442 is more blue chip, as my 65 does not have the original motor / tranny, so I'm good, no regrets! I'm not much on selling old cars, but good to know the investment is solid.
just a side note...the Bonneville and the GTO had remarkably similar front clips....
March 7th, 2015, 04:30 AM
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....but if you notice in the pic, the Olds is in the garage
March 7th, 2015, 10:00 AM
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Better view with that pic, very clean beautiful car, too many cars, so little garage space! Love the wheel skirts, the first poncho in my life was the family 68. 4 door Catalina in the early 70s. My mom was getting the groceries out the car, and yours truly dropped the car Out of gear, and she rolled down the driveway, across the street, and up into the neighbors yard.... I would have been 5 so technically the fist poncho I ever drove was a full sue, and it did have fender skirts....and I do not hit anything!
GTO sold today, to a very good home, older gent had a 65 back in the day, plans to paint her iris mist. Sad, but good home.
so technically the fist poncho I ever drove was a full sue, and it did have fender skirts....and I do not hit anything!GTO sold today, to a very good home, older gent had a 65 back in the day, plans to paint her iris mist. Sad, but good home.
March 29th, 2015, 12:55 PM
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I am no expert in these details, but I see what appears to be bullsnort there in the last pic. Worth looking into anyhow.
The lower sheet has numbers in various boxes. E.g. box 69 with unreadable options listed has a "4" inked into it. Therefore, column 69, conveniently numbered at the bottom of the Hollerith [IBM] card, should have the punch hole at the "4" location. At the very least, the "344870M205633" would be in there somewhere...
I vaguely recall that they rows started at "0" at the top thru "9" at the bottom. Or something like that.
Ditto for all the other boxes and columns and lines. They do not seem to match at all, as if someone took a random punched IBM card and printed the other stuff atop it.
By no means do I know this to be true, and perhaps GM used the columns and rows differently.... anyone who knows please shed light.
But, if any documentation were likely to be be falsified it would be that proving the W-ness of a 1970 W30.
The lower sheet has numbers in various boxes. E.g. box 69 with unreadable options listed has a "4" inked into it. Therefore, column 69, conveniently numbered at the bottom of the Hollerith [IBM] card, should have the punch hole at the "4" location. At the very least, the "344870M205633" would be in there somewhere...
I vaguely recall that they rows started at "0" at the top thru "9" at the bottom. Or something like that.
Ditto for all the other boxes and columns and lines. They do not seem to match at all, as if someone took a random punched IBM card and printed the other stuff atop it.
By no means do I know this to be true, and perhaps GM used the columns and rows differently.... anyone who knows please shed light.
But, if any documentation were likely to be be falsified it would be that proving the W-ness of a 1970 W30.
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March 29th, 2015, 08:25 PM
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Thanks Octania, very much a love / hate relationship with the I pad, it seems to think it funny to post them upside down, nothing to do with the user of course.😉
With the broad cast card, documents tracing back to the original owner, not sure how the car could be a fake. If it is, I was worked over by a 70 year old man who was really good and went to great lengths! Having said that I am interested in others views of these other two cards.
pic of Lonnie Sr. in the car in the mid 90's, I purchased from Lonnie jr.
With the broad cast card, documents tracing back to the original owner, not sure how the car could be a fake. If it is, I was worked over by a 70 year old man who was really good and went to great lengths! Having said that I am interested in others views of these other two cards.
pic of Lonnie Sr. in the car in the mid 90's, I purchased from Lonnie jr.
March 30th, 2015, 09:53 AM
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Hold you pad upside down when taking the photos, the obvious answer.
I just use Pain(t) to ctrl-R....otate them 180
I cannot assert the dox are fake, I have nowhere near that kind of knowledge. I am just saying, what do those punchouts mean if not the info to be related? When I first began to use computers, at MSU, circa 1977, we had to write programs onto those cards. Run them as a batch in the giant reader machine. Come back later and find out what you need to fix. I know each punch meant something.
It is entirely possible that in order for each column to be any of 0-9 or a letter or whatnot, it is NOT just "punch out 4th hole down for four"... and therefore I am not reading the punches right.
IT should be looked into by someone more familiar with this method and GM's practices.
I just use Pain(t) to ctrl-R....otate them 180
I cannot assert the dox are fake, I have nowhere near that kind of knowledge. I am just saying, what do those punchouts mean if not the info to be related? When I first began to use computers, at MSU, circa 1977, we had to write programs onto those cards. Run them as a batch in the giant reader machine. Come back later and find out what you need to fix. I know each punch meant something.
It is entirely possible that in order for each column to be any of 0-9 or a letter or whatnot, it is NOT just "punch out 4th hole down for four"... and therefore I am not reading the punches right.
IT should be looked into by someone more familiar with this method and GM's practices.
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