442 with a manual tranny

pureplaya442 · August 17th, 2009, 09:07 PM

Does anybody know if the shifter coming out of the boot had "442" imprinted on the shaft. i just heard about this, whether or not it's true is beyond me

Ozzie · August 17th, 2009, 11:36 PM

The 1965 442 which I have has "Hurst" just below the ball, and "442" further down (in the curve of the shifter).

mugzilla · August 18th, 2009, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pureplaya442

Does anybody know if the shifter coming out of the boot had "442" imprinted on the shaft. i just heard about this, whether or not it's true is beyond me

what year are we talking about here ..?

jensenracing77 · August 18th, 2009, 03:11 AM

65, 66, 67. i think that is the only years. i am not sure about 68 but don't think it did.

Nilsson · August 18th, 2009, 03:50 AM

68 has 442 on the shifter.

Yellowstatue · August 18th, 2009, 03:59 AM

X4 on the '68 shifter...

66400 · August 18th, 2009, 07:09 AM

'69 also displayed H and 442.

Henry

wmachine · August 18th, 2009, 07:52 AM

Holy cow, guys!
Every year (through '73) except 1964, the stick 442s had "442" on the shifter handle.

wmachine · August 18th, 2009, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzie

The 1965 442 which I have has "Hurst" just below the ball, and "442" further down (in the curve of the shifter).

Cool, Ozzie. You must have a 3-speed. What the date on your build? March '65 or later?

pureplaya442 · August 18th, 2009, 12:09 PM

I was curious for my 70 442

68Tom · August 18th, 2009, 12:56 PM

Hey Kurt, I'm definitely not questioning your knowledge, but what is this shifter all about? (I also saw an "original" shifter like this on eBay as well.)

Just has the "H"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...Q5fAccessories

Here's the original
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...Q5fAccessories

jensenracing77 · August 18th, 2009, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wmachine

Holy cow, guys!
Every year (through '73) except 1964, the stick 442s had "442" on the shifter handle.

i have never seen a 70-72 with 442 on the lever.

68Tom · August 18th, 2009, 01:24 PM

So, if our tally is correct it looks like this:

1965: "442" and "Hurst" on the arm
1966: ?
1967-69: "442" and "H" on the arm (with the H lower on the arm than the 442)
1970-72: just an "H" on the arm

Is this correct?

Apparently here's a '67 Hurst shifter.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-...Q5fAccessories

wmachine · August 18th, 2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Tom

Hey Kurt, I'm definitely not questioning your knowledge, but what is this shifter all about? (I also saw an "original" shifter like this on eBay as well.)
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Don't hesitate to call me out, because if I'm wrong it won't be the first or last time I've been wrong!
I was under the impression that the shifters with only the "H" were non-442 applications in '70-'73 as it was in previous years, but I see that just didn't register with me that they dropped the 442 off the handle in 1970.

My442 · August 18th, 2009, 02:24 PM

My 70 442 has the correct #7169 handle, and it says "H".

wmachine · August 18th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Tom

So, if our tally is correct it looks like this:

1965: "442" and "Hurst" on the arm
1966: ?

Is this correct?
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Now that I've extracted my foot from my mouth (leaving more room), in 1965, the only Hurst Shifters were the 3-speeds (with the HD F*rd toploader) option M14, starting in March '65. Those '65 442 3-speed shifters were the only manual shifters that had the whole word "HURST" on the handle.

In '65, the 4-speeds were still Muncie shifters and had only the "442" on handle.

In '66-'69, all 442s (all 3 and 4 speeds) had "442" and the "H" at the bottom, and all non-442s (all 3 and 4 speeds) had just the "H" at the bottom.
Additionally, '66s were square at the top and not tapered.

68Tom · August 18th, 2009, 05:09 PM

Cool. Good info to know. Thanks Kurt.

Ozzie · August 19th, 2009, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wmachine

Cool, Ozzie. You must have a 3-speed. What the date on your build? March '65 or later?

Hi Kurt,
You're absolutely correct. It's the M14 H.D. 3 speed just a few months later from Lansing.

wmachine · August 19th, 2009, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzie

Hi Kurt,
You're absolutely correct. It's the M14 H.D. 3 speed just a few months later from Lansing.

So you also have a column 2 "B" on your firewall tag?
Pics, please! Love to see one installed on the car!!

joe_padavano · August 19th, 2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Tom

Hey Kurt, I'm definitely not questioning your knowledge, but what is this shifter all about? (I also saw an "original" shifter like this on eBay as well.)

Just has the "H"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...Q5fAccessories

This is an aftermarket Hurst Competition Plus for a 70-72 with console, as demonstrated by the bolt-on handle. All factory shifters had the snap-in handle.

dan1s · August 25th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Here is a picture of my 68' 442 shifter.

69droptop · August 26th, 2009, 04:08 PM

My 69 442 has a Hurst shifter, but it has the straight handle instead of the curve. It has Hurst on the shifter, but obviously not the 442 and the H. Would it be possible to find the correct shifter handle and bolt it into my shifter?

I'm pretty sure the transmission is original, so somewhere along the way, the shifter got switched out.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!

yogi442 · August 27th, 2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Tom

So, if our tally is correct it looks like this:

1965: "442" and "Hurst" on the arm
1966: ?
1967-69: "442" and "H" on the arm (with the H lower on the arm than the 442)
1970-72: just an "H" on the arm

Is this correct?

Apparently here's a '67 Hurst shifter.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-...Q5fAccessories

My 66 has the stock shifter and has "Hurst" and "442" on it.

wmachine · August 28th, 2009, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yogi442

My 66 has the stock shifter and has "Hurst" and "442" on it.

We need to talk! PM sent.

wmachine · August 29th, 2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yogi442

My 66 has the stock shifter and has "Hurst" and "442" on it.

Okay, Yogi and I did some more checking and found that his '66 doesn't have the word "HURST" on the handle.
The word "HURST" on the handle should be '65 3-speed only for Olds.

August 17th, 2009, 09:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
pureplaya442 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 16	442 with a manual tranny Does anybody know if the shifter coming out of the boot had "442" imprinted on the shaft. i just heard about this, whether or not it's true is beyond me

August 17th, 2009, 11:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ozzie Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2	442 with a manual tranny The 1965 442 which I have has "Hurst" just below the ball, and "442" further down (in the curve of the shifter).

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Nilsson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 336	68 has 442 on the shifter. __________________ ___________________________________________ http://motorhead43026.tripod.com/two...vorite_things/ 68 442, original engine and 4-speed transmission (Nasty) 69 Cougar 33,000 original miles (Nice) 2003 Honda Accord boring,anemic,dependable (Ho Hum) "No matter how fast I go, I still can't pass that gas station." "If you are an engineer by trade all things are not black or white, live a little and step into the gray area"

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Yellowstatue Certified Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Too close to Toronto!! Posts: 567	Stick it to me X4 on the '68 shifter... __________________ '57 S88 HC et al; '68 442 M20; '68 442 M21; '68 W30; '68 Vista et al; '80 -'84 Regency et al; '96,'98.'99 Aurora..Ignition ON

August 18th, 2009, 07:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
66400 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 70	'69 also displayed H and 442. Henry

August 18th, 2009, 07:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
wmachine Trying to remember member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,466	Holy cow, guys! Every year (through '73) except 1964, the stick 442s had "442" on the shifter handle. __________________ Kurt http://wmachines.shubes.net

August 18th, 2009, 12:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
pureplaya442 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 16	I was curious for my 70 442

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68Tom Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 835	Hey Kurt, I'm definitely not questioning your knowledge, but what is this shifter all about? (I also saw an "original" shifter like this on eBay as well.) Just has the "H" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...Q5fAccessories Here's the original http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...Q5fAccessories __________________ 1968 Olds 442 Sports Coupe 4-speed/bench seat

August 18th, 2009, 01:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
68Tom Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 835	So, if our tally is correct it looks like this: 1965: "442" and "Hurst" on the arm 1966: ? 1967-69: "442" and "H" on the arm (with the H lower on the arm than the 442) 1970-72: just an "H" on the arm Is this correct? Apparently here's a '67 Hurst shifter. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-...Q5fAccessories __________________ 1968 Olds 442 Sports Coupe 4-speed/bench seat Last edited by 68Tom; August 18th, 2009 at 01:34 PM..

August 18th, 2009, 02:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
My442 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 204	My 70 442 has the correct #7169 handle, and it says "H".

August 18th, 2009, 05:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
68Tom Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 835	Cool. Good info to know. Thanks Kurt. __________________ 1968 Olds 442 Sports Coupe 4-speed/bench seat

August 25th, 2009, 09:12 AM	#21 (permalink)
dan1s Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 207	Here is a picture of my 68' 442 shifter. __________________ Follow link to Pictures and Video... RATE MY CAR http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3068977

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69droptop Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Springfield, Illinois 62711 Posts: 43	442 shifter My 69 442 has a Hurst shifter, but it has the straight handle instead of the curve. It has Hurst on the shifter, but obviously not the 442 and the H. Would it be possible to find the correct shifter handle and bolt it into my shifter? I'm pretty sure the transmission is original, so somewhere along the way, the shifter got switched out. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!

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